Israel / Iran

[Junco Partner]

Sadly true.

But the fact that he is such a pariah and that formally visiting Europe, Canada, Australia etc is now impossible is a small piece of justice.

[simon hammer]

Operation Gomorrah.

As opposed to the current one happening to the Palestinians:

Operation sod em.

[snooperpooper]

Sadly true.

But the fact that he is such a pariah and that formally visiting Europe, Canada, Australia etc is now impossible is a small piece of justice.

He doesn't care, he's already paid the deposit for the penthouse in the soon to be built Trump Gaza Plaza

[The Old Man of Storr]

You're right, it's not comparing the same thing and this thread is about Trump. We should leave this here or reconvene on the Iran/Israel thread.

When Donald Trump came out with '' The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too , we'll own it '' it became about Trump but yeah , I agree , the killings on both sides , whether it's 45,000 Palestinian dead or the 1200 Israeli dead , that belongs in the Iran/Israel Thread .

[westhamdub2]

It is a war on terrorism, the people of Gaza were given advance notice to leave the target areas, unlike in Hamburg.

This is wildly untrue. You are not debating in good faith and are on a wind up or just wilfully ignorant of what has been happening there. It's a waste of time anyone trying to discuss it with you on here.

[snooperpooper]

This is wildly untrue. You are not debating in good faith and are on a wind up or just wilfully ignorant of what has been happening there. It's a waste of time anyone trying to discuss it with you on here.

It is not good form to try and denigrate somebody because you disagree with what they're saying.

My comment is true, the evidence is published, if you care to take a look you will find it, as opposed to trying to call me out without evidence to the contrary.

As I posted earlier, this is the Trump thread and Gaza/Israel etc comments have their own thread, I'm happy to debate you over there, but you did need a response here first.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

I recall in the early days of the conflict, on more than one occasion, Gazans being ordered to leave an area and then Israel bombing the convoy as they complied.

[the pink palermo]

I recall in the early days of the conflict, on more than one occasion, Gazans being ordered to leave an area and then Israel bombing the convoy as they complied.

If the IDF felt there were legitimate terrorist targets hiding in those convoys its a question of whether the target value was determined to be greater than the NCV. Every bomb dropped will have been as a result of specific intelligence.

The USA has reguarly used UAVs to eliminate a single terrorist target in the full knowledge they could kill numerous people likely to be completely innocent.

[Plashet Grove Pete]

I recall in the early days of the conflict, on more than one occasion, Gazans being ordered to leave an area and then Israel bombing the convoy as they complied.

Israel committing war crimes? Shirley not!

[Plashet Grove Pete]

If the IDF felt there were legitimate terrorist targets hiding in those convoys its a question of whether the target value was determined to be greater than the NCV. Every bomb dropped will have been as a result of specific intelligence.

The USA has reguarly used UAVs to eliminate a single terrorist target in the full knowledge they could kill numerous people likely to be completely innocent.

I understand from attributable sources that 70% collateral damage is perfectly acceptable when it comes to Israel's actions. So kill three Arab terrorists, and perhaps take seven innocent children with them.

Win win, Bibi.

[Plashet Grove Pete]

Another nobody calling out Israel:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/fe ... d-sumption

Do these people not realise how just Israel's crusade is? How will Netanyahu and Trump's Paradise resort ever get built if do-gooders continue objecting to their carpet bombing of the disputed territory?

[simon hammer]

Edited and removed as the post I was replying to has vanished.

[The Old Man of Storr]

So , Netanyahu lied then ?

[Plashet Grove Pete]

Trump's given the green light for Israel to continue with it's mass destruction of Gaza and it's citizens.

Netanyahu will be creaming himself in anticipation.

From The Guardian:

In Tel Aviv, protesters blocked streets on Monday night, demanding the return of all hostages, as some relatives accused their government of sabotaging the deal and endangering their loved ones.

“Abu Obeida’s statement is a direct result of Netanyahu’s irresponsible behaviour,” said Einav Zangauker, the mother of Matan Zangauker, who is a hostage in Gaza and not listed for release under the first stage of the deal. “[Netanyahu’s] deliberate procrastination and unnecessary provocative statements disrupted the implementation of the agreement.”

From the BBC:

Former Israeli minister Itamar Ben-Gvir says Hamas' announcement should have "one real-life response: a massive fire attack on Gaza, from the air and land".

The far-right former security minister resigned from the Israeli government in January, in protest at the Gaza ceasefire deal".

Let's not forget all Israelis want peace.

[The Old Man of Storr]

What I find interesting about this conflict , and a whole load of other conflicts come to think of it is how many of us view them -

It seems to me we support one side or the other with not a lot of empathy or sympathy for the other side , no middle ground if you like -

To quote a famous American President ' You're Either With Us Or Against Us ' .


Usually , we'll see most people supporting the ' Underdog ' or the ones who are being attacked -

Sometimes we'll take a lead from our Government and which side they support but technology and the internet has made us all freethinkers .

It's quite obvious where our Prime Minister's sympathies lie from his use of language -

On the one hand we got -

'' The brutal terrorists of Hamas who committed the deadliest massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust - Hostages brutally ripped from their homes , held captive in unimaginable conditions '' -

Then -

'' The many Palestinians who have lost their lives '' .


So far , Keir , around 45,000 Palestinians , mostly women and children have been brutally massacred while some 1200 Israelis have lost their lives .

Why are Palestinians held in such low esteem that 45,000 dead can be written off as ' Collateral damage ' ?

Have we truly sunk that low as a species ?

[westhamdub2]

Why are Palestinians held in such low esteem that 45,000 dead can be written off as ' Collateral damage ' ?

Have we truly sunk that low as a species ?

Unfortunately you only have to read this thread to show that plenty of people view Palestinian lives as worth less.

About 40,000 people seen as acceptable 'collateral damage' if we assume 5,000 were actually Hamas.

We have sunk so low that bull**** points are even made about the accuracy of those figures. Even if they completely lying about the death toll (they are not) then let's call it 20,000 like that's ok then.

Utterly depressing TOMOS and no end to their suffering in sight.

[Ozza]

Lots of people don’t think Israel should exist.

Lots of people seem to think that all Palestinians are terrorists and their national flag is a statement of terrorisism.

They are wrong as well

[sendô]

Lots of people don't seem to be able to understand simple statements on perception, and get angry because they feel attacked for supporting what they consider the "good guys".

It's fun this, isn't it?

[snooperpooper]

October 6th, 2023, a fragile peace in the region, October 7th, 1200 innocent peace-loving Jews murdered and taken hostage by a terrorist organisation.

October 27th, IDF launched a ground assault to recover the hostages.

Today, some 61,000 innocent peace-loving Palestinians are dead because of Hamas, the same terrorists that hid in the tunnels as Israel bombed Gaza in retaliation. The same terrorists who stole food and water from 'their people' before the assault and who continued to do so after the assault to recover the hostages.

Palestinians and Jews want peace, it's the Israeli Govt and Hamas and their puppet masters who will continue until they achieve their desired resolution, something some on here either fail to grasp or just don't want to, and therein lies the problem.

I guess it's not fashionable to support Judaism. I get it, the keffiyeh is far more stylish than the kippah.

Peace to the haters

[Monkeybubbles]

October 6th, 2023, a fragile peace in the region, October 7th, 1200 innocent peace-loving Jews murdered and taken hostage by a terrorist organisation.

October 27th, IDF launched a ground assault to recover the hostages.

Today, some 61,000 innocent peace-loving Palestinians are dead because of Hamas, the same terrorists that hid in the tunnels as Israel bombed Gaza in retaliation. The same terrorists who stole food and water from 'their people' before the assault and who continued to do so after the assault to recover the hostages.

Palestinians and Jews want peace, it's the Israeli Govt and Hamas and their puppet masters who will continue until they achieve their desired resolution, something some on here either fail to grasp or just don't want to, and therein lies the problem.

I guess it's not fashionable to support Judaism. I get it, the keffiyeh is far more stylish than the kippah.

Peace to the haters

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here but, as I've probably said too many times on this thread, Israeli and Jewish are two different things.