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As a writer, he desperately desperately needs someone else as director to reign him in, and to provide some quality control. As director, he desperately needs someone to tell him not to act and direct.
There's literally no possible way that it can be the first good DCEU movie, since there have already been several: Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (the extended cut), Aquaman, Zack Snyder's Justice League, The Suicide Squad... all sit between "bloody good" and "outf***ingstanding".Kludgehammer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:07 pm I'm not wildly optimistic that this is going to be the first good DCEU movie.
The Harley Quinn cartoon is brilliant. Extremely funny.dasnutnock3 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:53 pm Looks pish. Their animated stuff is genuinely of the very highest calibre. Their live action stuff is as anodyne and predictable as it comes.
Hmm, my ratings are slightly different - in order: Meh blending to awful, utter crap, utter crap, so awful I couldn't get past the first 90 minutes or so, and wildly overrated.last.caress wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:55 pm There's literally no possible way that it can be the first good DCEU movie, since there have already been several: Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (the extended cut), Aquaman, Zack Snyder's Justice League, The Suicide Squad... all sit between "bloody good" and "outf***ingstanding".
Well, it's a romp, isn't it? A good old-fashioned caper, like adventure movies used to be before they all turned into superhero pictures. There's no possible way to make a gritty, grounded and realistic movie about Aquaman, so James Wan doesn't try to, instead leaning hard into the camp improbable nonsense of it all; the comic book trappings, the Saturday morning serial-style sense of bravado, of derring-do. I saw a review at the time describe it as Indiana Jones meets SpongeBob SquarePants. The reviewer made that comparison in its most complimentary sense and I think he/she was spot-on.
Amber herd was a good watch.Kludgehammer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:19 pm Hmm, my ratings are slightly different - in order: Meh blending to awful, utter crap, utter crap, so awful I couldn't get past the first 90 minutes or so, and wildly overrated.
Seriously though - I know you have a blind spot for Snyder's many many failings, but you even like Aquabro? Why? What do you see in it? I'm at a bit of a disadvantage in providing a detailed analysis in that I've not watched any of them more than once, but my immediate reaction to Aquabro was that it was literally one of the worst films I'd ever seen - obviously, not Shazam or WW84 levels of terrible, but really really bad.
It could have been Beta Ray Bill fighting Hulk in the Sakaaran Arena in Thor: Ragnarok (which took large chunks from the Planet Hulk story). If I recall correctly, it was Silver Surfer in the comic, but Beta Ray Bill in the animation.last.caress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:25 am I find it a bit perplexing that there have been four Thor movies - more within the MCU than for any other individual superhero - and, as yet, there's still no Beta Ray Bill.
Thor tells Mjolnir to keep Jane safe in one of the earlier movies. That’s why the shattered hammer ‘calls out to her’.last.caress wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:09 pm
*I'm sure there was an explanation somewhere which I obviously missed but I can't imagine that any explanation given would've been a satisfactory one.
I picked up on that bit Leon, and that definitely explained why Mjolnir had abandoned Thor for Jane (well, I mean it explains why Mjolnir abandoned Thor for Jane to some extent. Doesn't quite cover why it doesn't go back to Thor as soon as Thor wants it back, but still). But I was still uncertain as to why/how Jane had actually become Thor. Does the power to become Thor derive specifically from the hammer, then? If so, how was Thor still Thor?LeonRivers wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:33 am Thor tells Mjolnir to keep Jane safe in one of the earlier movies. That’s why the shattered hammer ‘calls out to her’.
Different strokes for different folks - I just can't accept that in a film. It can be a romp, but it has to still have innate quality of script, FX etc for me to not be completely taken out of the film, and Aquabro fails that on every level - script, plot, acting, ****ing appalling SFX; it's the same reason I can't accept The Batman (terrible cliched script and plot based on coincidences and stupidity), Justice League (script, plot, acting, SFX, directing), Black Panther (elements of plot, awful SFX), Wonder Woman (plot, acting, script, SFX), and outside the superhero genre, things like Independence Day (plot, plot, plot, script, plot, dogs outrunning explosions, uploading alien viruses written in 10 minutes, aaargh!) etc etc.last.caress wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:14 pm Well, it's a romp, isn't it? A good old-fashioned caper, like adventure movies used to be before they all turned into superhero pictures.
I believe the hammer wasn’t killing Jane, but simply preventing her body from fighting the cancer whilst she was empowered.Kludgehammer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:34 am And why was the hammer both empowering and killing Jane? I wouldn't swear to this, but I don't think this is actually answered in the film, beyond the use of the power exhausting her. Which makes no sense at all, whereas in the original, the magic of the hammer was purging the chemo from her system when she changed back to mortal Jane, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. I wouldn't swear to that last one, and I haven't been able to summon the enthusiasm to re-watch the film to check.
But all superhero movies are inherently cliché-laden and full to bursting with plot contrivances, aren't they? To differing degrees, sure, but to significant enough degrees in every instance that to complain about a paucity of believability in some of them sounds a little arbitrary. We need to park our brains outside the cinema just a little bit for every one of them. Stack them up against proper movies and their shortcomings become apparent all over the shop. I compiled a list of my favourite 100 movies once upon a time (because I'm a nerd, but don't tell anyone; I've disguised it pretty well and everyone around here thinks I'm as cool as f***Kludgehammer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:49 am I just can't accept that in a film. It can be a romp, but it has to still have innate quality of script, FX etc for me to not be completely taken out of the film... I don't immerse in the film when I spend all my time going "jeezus, another cliche"
) and only a couple of superhero pics made the list, with none in the top fifty. Even looking at some of the best the genre has to offer such as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice or Shazam! , they simply can't hold a candle to Mulholland Drive or Traffic or Dog Day Afternoon or Goodfellas.
