Brexit referendum result aftermath

[666 hammer]

In my trade, less cheap labour increased wages that were stagnant for what seems a lifetime. So it worked. And there is no shortage of work. And wages are good. So yes it worked.

[666 hammer]

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.

You said Macron was asked by Zelensky to visit Putin. The only person to suggest this was Macron. Why would Macron lie? Well, probably because it made him look weak getting big tabled. The peace deal he hoped to get failed. French investments didn't get protection he wanted. French elections. There are lots of reasons.

[DaveWHU1964]

So you’re saying Macron lied about Zelensky asking him to speak to Putin. Have you any evidence for that? Any at all? Has anyone, Zelensky for example, said that Macron lied? I’m sure you’ll point it out to me if anyone has.

[666 hammer]

Exactly. Show me where it states Zelensky asked Macron. Zelensky I imagine is too busy to care about Macrons political games.

[EvilC]

In my trade, less cheap labour increased wages that were stagnant for what seems a lifetime. So it worked. And there is no shortage of work. And wages are good. So yes it worked.

In your trade. You can read what the data says has happened above.

[DaveWHU1964]

Exactly.

??? I’m out.

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

But.....

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

But what?

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

But what?

Just another thing that was sold as a big benefit of Brexit that a) hasn't happened b) is being done by a country that's still in the EU.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Just another thing that was sold as a big benefit of Brexit that a) hasn't happened b) is being done by a country that's still in the EU.

The argument was it couldn't be cut beyond 5% while in the EU. This was true and still is, ours hasn't been cut beyond since we left on energy (something we can now point the finger at our govt for) but it is 5%. Ireland has just cut 13% to get down to 9%.

[666 hammer]

Haven't we changed the vat rate for renewables to 0%

[666 hammer]

In your trade. You can read what the data says has happened above.

Wages have increased, and there is no shortage of work. It may contradict the data you are reading, but it is fact. I know this is not the case for all sectors.

[mumbles87]

Haven't we changed the vat rate for renewables to 0%

Yes. Saved me £800 .. great budget target those who can afford to do these projects rather than those who actually need help

Not saying 0% isn't the right thing to do but the timing when cost of living is rising was misjudged

[EvilC]

Wages have increased, and there is no shortage of work. It may contradict the data you are reading, but it is fact. I know this is not the case for all sectors.

I didn’t say they hadn’t increased. They have increased more for the better off. The less well off are getting less well off in relative and absolute terms.

[mumbles87]

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/04/13/ ... ar-panels/

Could have done it in the EU anyways

[666 hammer]

Now they can, but the UK was told when in the EU to raise vat on renewables. The EU has since back tracked.
https://www.ask-renewables.co.uk/vat-ri ... rd%2020%25.
In June 2015, the European Court of Justice upheld a ruling that the UK’s scope of the application of the 5% VAT was too wide, representing an infraction of EU-wide laws. It appeared the UK Government was set to comply with the ruling and apply the higher VAT rate through the Finance Bill, March 2016.

[666 hammer]

I didn’t say they hadn’t increased. They have increased more for the better off. The less well off are getting less well off in relative and absolute terms.

And the rich are getting richer. I don't remember hearing remain cry for checkout workers, or factory workers, trades people when their labour was cheap. The inflation rate will go up, mainly because of lockdown, and now China has locked down again. Gas, oil prices rising. Devalued sterling. The EU are suffering the same. The point is now we can make changes ourselves, without waiting approval. The next challenge is to get a decent government.

[EvilC]

And the rich are getting richer. I don't remember hearing remain cry for checkout workers, or factory workers, trades people when their labour was cheap. The inflation rate will go up, mainly because of lockdown, and now China has locked down again. Gas, oil prices rising. Devalued sterling. The EU are suffering the same. The point is now we can make changes ourselves, without waiting approval. The next challenge is to get a decent government.

You are concerned about devalued Sterling? Take a look at what it has done since June 23 2016.

A decent government wouldn’t elect to leave the EU.

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

You are concerned about devalued Sterling? Take a look at what it has done since June 23 2016.

A decent government wouldn’t elect to leave the EU.

Did you vote lib-dem? They were the only party 100% remain

[EvilC]

Did you vote lib-dem? They were the only party 100% remain

Yes. Not that this matters, as your voting choice is never going to align directly with your beliefs and will partly be dictated by your constituency make up as a result of our voting system.