Brexit referendum result aftermath

[-DL-]

They have the booths, the French haven't sent the staff to man them.

The Easter Holidays getaway has always been chaos at the port for as long as I can remember.

This actually isn't anything new, but it makes a fantastic anti-brexit headline, which causes people on both sides of the divide to get all mouth foamy.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Must be nice sat in those queues whilst knowing the government turned down the chance to build more booths and employ more staff to cope with having to stamp all those blue passports , that could have been any colour we chose whilst in the EU.

Doesn't make the slightest difference if the booths aren't manned.

What I don't get in this is it's being blamed on a higher than expected number of coaches. Don't they book tickets in advance?

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

You lads better tell the bloke who runs the port.

[Essexmaniac]

It does make a difference if the booths are manned or not.
As an EU member there was no checks, so less staff and booths needed.

Brexit reality. To be more accurate, it's the nature of the deal. No one knew what type of Brexit we would end up with. Hard Brexit equals hard luck if you have to queue to have your passport stamped.

[Essexmaniac]

[-DL-]

Every passport needs to be checked as per what the Port of Dover bloke says.

The French haven't sent enough staff over as per usual.

The Port always decends in to chaos at the start of the Easter Holidays, even pre-Brexit.

All three statements are completely correct, so why does it have to be exclusively one or the other?

It doesn't need to be an either/or - and it's well known that for years there have always been issues at Dover at the start of The Easter Holidays.

[Cornelius Beal]

Not sure why anyone would believe Braverman on the TV today when travel experts speak the truth.

[chelmsfordhammer91]

It doesn't need to be an either/or - and it's well known that for years there have always been issues at Dover at the start of The Easter Holidays.

Also, it isn't unfeasible that the bloke in charge of what is being alluded to as a failing port, might blame something/someone else. Let's say something that a large part of the population would blame for anything even if it wasn't the main cause.

[Cornelius Beal]

Every passport needs to be checked as per what the Port of Dover bloke says.

The French haven't sent enough staff over as per usual.

The Port always decends in to chaos at the start of the Easter Holidays, even pre-Brexit.

All three statements are completely correct, so why does it have to be exclusively one or the other?

It doesn't need to be an either/or - and it's well known that for years there have always been issues at Dover at the start of The Easter Holidays.

I agree that it's always likely to be busy. You have missed two important details though.


Every passport did not need to be stamped prior to the self harming exit from the EU. So it's obvious the process will take longer meaning extra delays.

This government dismissed plans to install extra booths and facilities in 2020 that would have eased the extra problems they were aware of.

[OFT]

On the two occasions we have driven to France(both pre Brexit) I don't remember any passport checks at all. ( that doesn't mean there weren't any but I seem to think we pretty much drove straight through any checkpoints)
We're supposed to be going again in August but I'm thinking 'sod it'

[Essexmaniac]

"It's going to get worse". Extra checks have yet to be implemented.

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

Why should the French be sending more staff? Because they have more booths.

Why are more booths needed? Because checks are taking longer.

Why are checks taking longer?

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

It does make a difference if the booths are manned or not.
As an EU member there was no checks, so less staff and booths needed.

Brexit reality. To be more accurate, it's the nature of the deal. No one knew what type of Brexit we would end up with. Hard Brexit equals hard luck if you have to queue to have your passport stamped.

So what was the point of your argument that they hadn't built extra booths?

[The Old Man of Storr]

Back in 2013 Jennie took Dan on a mini-tour of Europe - France , Belgium , Germany then Paris -

On the outward journey their passports were checked at Kings Cross - all the while in Europe no one was interested in checking their passports - when they got to Calais their passports were then checked again - a few folk were asking ' Why do you need to check our passports ? ' - the French replied ' Don't blame us , it's the British Government who want it done ' . So even though we were part of the EU we still acted differently to other European countries .

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Why should the French be sending more staff? Because they have more booths.

Why are more booths needed? Because checks are taking longer.

Why are checks taking longer?

Who is saying they should be sending more? They can send as many as they like or that was agreed to.

The fact is 10 booths with five manned is just as slow as 20 booths with 5 manned.

[-DL-]

This government dismissed plans to install extra booths and facilities in 2020 that would have eased the extra problems they were aware of.

There are empty booths even with the ones there are now. You could build 100 extra booths, but if The French do not send staff to man them what would the extra booths solve?

Am I saying that Brexit has played no part in this? From what I have posted, no.

Have I said that there are multiple reasons as to why these queues are there?

Yes, including not enough French staff, and also, which I haven't mentioned, high winds in the channel also causing delays a couple of days ago (and it was entertaining to read ardant remainers saying they've just sailed and it was fine - well yes, they sailings took place as conditions improved) as well as there have always been delays this time of year at the port.

I've maintained many times on this thread that I am neither a remainer nor a brexiteer, and am totally indifferent towards it and always have been - and it's actually rather pleasant, as I can post an impartial opinion based on all the facts and evidence rather than get all frothy depending on which side of The Brexit Divide people are on.

Of course, you then get people comment that want to blame it solely on Brexit and are not particularly responsive to anything that may be contrary to that opinion.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Back in 2013 Jennie took Dan on a mini-tour of Europe - France , Belgium , Germany then Paris -

On the outward journey their passports were checked at Kings Cross - all the while in Europe no one was interested in checking their passports - when they got to Calais their passports were then checked again - a few folk were asking ' Why do you need to check our passports ? ' - the French replied ' Don't blame us , it's the British Government who want it done ' . So even though we were part of the EU we still acted differently to other European countries .

Yep it was all part of Cameron's idea that everyone entering or exiting the country be checked I think.

[-DL-]

Yep it was all part of Cameron's idea that everyone entering or exiting the country be checked I think.

I didn't think I was going mad - I wasn't entirely sure, but had a vague recollection when that when I went abroad via Dover before we left that we had our passports checked.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

"It's going to get worse". Extra checks have yet to be implemented.

While a huge new IT system being implemented is almost certain to cause problems there won't be extra checks at the border. For one thing there is no technology to get it to work with cars or coaches. The fact it's been delayed so many times already bodes well lol.

The EES will replace passport stamping with facial recognition and biometrics (ironically the use of which the EU have been much against for businesses seeing it as an infringement on basic freedoms).

The ETIAS system will require people to get a waiver document every 3 years online.

[bubbles1966]

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