Brexit referendum result aftermath

[Junco Partner]

I see Chancellor Hunt has had enough of experts, his experts in the OBR, telling him Brexit is causing a 4% hit to our GDP.

We were sold a pup people, and never forget who told you their lies.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

He is probably right to. It's already out of date as it's based on being in the EU from January 2021 to now with nothing else changing since then.

[sendô]

Not due to new laws on protest. They would have been here at as wrongly arrested last year under the same incompetent policing

This government has already brought in laws making protesting more difficult and giving the police more powers to tackle protests, and has sought to bring in more laws on more than one occassion. This "incompetent policing" is as a result of this entire mentality of protest bad, police must stop. To deny this is naive at best, although I suspect you are being deliberately disingenuous because it doesn't suit the narrative.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

This government has already brought in laws making protesting more difficult and giving the police more powers to tackle protests, and has sought to bring in more laws on more than one occassion. This "incompetent policing" is as a result of this entire mentality of protest bad, police must stop. To deny this is naive at best, although I suspect you are being deliberately disingenuous because it doesn't suit the narrative.

Which protests didn't go ahead? The one she was arrested at ran for 4 days.

[MB]

He is probably right to. It's already out of date as it's based on being in the EU from January 2021 to now with nothing else changing since then.

The 4% will be a finger in the air estimate. With everything else going on, it will be very difficult to pin down to one thing. On that Hunt is probably right.

But there are plenty of stories of businesses going under because the cost and delay of bringing goods into the UK from the EU makes it untenable to operate any longer.

I worked on plenty of projects to close branches of overseas banks in the run up to Brexit and only a few of those have come back as subsidiaries and applied for regulation.

The customs stuff is the real killer though. £75 per import or export in real cost and people cost. Our Customs team has doubled in size to advise on this and half the time there is no answer. It is a complete shambles.

[the pink palermo]

And it looks a bit crap…

A lot of this stuff is in widespread use around the world.The idea that a shortage of agriculture workers is unique to the UK is simply wrong.

We're underinvested as a consequence of having a cheap labour pool available.Thats what the EU did for us.

Time for the UK farming industry to invest.

[MB]

Time for the UK supermarket industry to invest.

[sendô]

This government has already brought in laws making protesting more difficult

Which protests didn't go ahead? The one she was arrested at ran for 4 days.

Like I said, disingenuous.

[Junco Partner]

The 4% will be a finger in the air estimate. With everything else going on, it will be very difficult to pin down to one thing. On that Hunt is probably right.

"OBR reports Brexit is responsible for 4% growth in GDP"

Wonder if he'd be as dismissive of the experts if that had been their findings?

The long term damage of Brexit winning on a pack of lies and belittling of experts (IE Knowledge) is becoming apparent. Chancellor Hunt not quite at Johnson’s lying to your face about his previous bare-faced lies but the selective approach to truth is where it starts.

[Cornelius Beal]

A lot of this stuff is in widespread use around the world.The idea that a shortage of agriculture workers is unique to the UK is simply wrong.

We're underinvested as a consequence of having a cheap labour pool available.Thats what the EU did for us.

Time for the UK farming industry to invest.

Not so sure they can invest having lost so much in EU grants, trade and money and workforce thanks to Brexit and crap deals with the Australia and New Zealand.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Where are they having difficulty protesting? Which protest has been stopped or hampered or made even slightly trickier since these laws came in?

Like I said, disingenuous.

Casually ignoring the crackdown on the right to protest of course.

Was the language you started with.

[YGNB]

The first major free trade agreement signed by Britain after Brexit has been branded a failure after new figures showed exports had fallen since it came into force.

Liz Truss signed a “historic” deal with Japan as trade secretary in October 2020, describing it as a “landmark moment for Britain”. It was claimed it would boost trade by billions of pounds and help the UK recover from the pandemic.

However, figures collated by the Department for International Trade show exports to Japan fell from £12.3bn to £11.9bn in the year to June 2022. Exports in goods fell 4.9% to £6.1bn and services fell 2% to £5.8bn.

[Tenbury]

We're underinvested as a consequence of having a cheap labour pool available.Thats what the EU did for us.

Time for the UK farming industry to invest.

Absolutely true... and absolutely impossible.
The much vaunted 'Australian' deal puts the boot into the livestock sector, the decision to close the beet factories ****s up the cereal sector ( now the barley price sky rockets as it's used to process into sugar instead of beer/animal feed) and, as ever, the supermarkets screw the fruit and veg growers rather than lose a bit of their profit margin.

[smuts]

Liz Truss talking out of her arse? Surely not.

[Essexmaniac]

[chelmsfordhammer91]

Is there a link to the data they use or what they are actually saying about it?

I thought it would be higher than that by now (3%), but would be interesting to see how disproportional it is compared to UK doctors leaving and non-EU doctors joining.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Is there a link to the data they use or what they are actually saying about it?

I thought it would be higher than that by now (3%), but would be interesting to see how disproportional it is compared to UK doctors leaving and non-EU doctors joining.

It says there are 7,000 more EU doctors working here than before brexit.

[chelmsfordhammer91]

It says there are 7,000 more EU doctors working here than before brexit.

Cheers, do you know if that figure then includes non-NHS practices? Or is the Guardian headline just wrong/misleading?

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Cheers, do you know if that figure then includes non-NHS practices? Or is the Guardian headline just wrong/misleading?

Not sure

It's the same sort of calculation and analysis that gets our GDP down 4% in 15 years even though it would have gone up. They pick a point (2015 in this case) and draw a straight incline from there to show numbers if we had stayed. This incline isn't a continuation of the incline previously it's something of a tangent. A comparison is then made and this mythical reduction reported as fact.

Had they extended the actual incline from the years pre brexit it would have shown there are currently 6,000 more EU doctors than would have been here had we stayed and that rate continued. But where's the headline in that.

[Bend it like Repka]

My daughter is currently doing a levels with the aim of studying medicine at uni. The ultimate target is getting to Oxford although of course other unis will be options. Having had talks with the 6th form tutors one thing we are learning is how much competition there is for places, and getting onto these courses is not easy.

Which begs the question when we have shortages and are importing doctors at a high cost from overseas, why the f*** are there barriers in place in the education system here? Is Brexit the problem when we can't seem to fix an obvious problem by recruiting internally from a plentiful resource pool?