Brexit referendum result aftermath
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- DaveWHU1964
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Re: Brexit referendum result aftermath
I think this is astonishing ...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... avid-frost
... in amongst Frost's 'always the victim, never our fault' bleating that seeks to blame the EU/ Ireland/ anyone other than the incompetent liars who wanted this and drove it , he admits to the "relative UK weakness and EU predominance in the withdrawal agreement negotiations". So much for us holding all the cards and the rubbish we heard that the constant attitude that they needed us more than we needed them, German car makers, etc.
He also says that the Northern Ireland protocol would only have worked if the EU hadn't implemented its own rules and rights. So we were relying on the EU to make us leaving the EU a success As some of us warned before the referendum, that was never, ever going to happen.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... avid-frost
... in amongst Frost's 'always the victim, never our fault' bleating that seeks to blame the EU/ Ireland/ anyone other than the incompetent liars who wanted this and drove it , he admits to the "relative UK weakness and EU predominance in the withdrawal agreement negotiations". So much for us holding all the cards and the rubbish we heard that the constant attitude that they needed us more than we needed them, German car makers, etc.
He also says that the Northern Ireland protocol would only have worked if the EU hadn't implemented its own rules and rights. So we were relying on the EU to make us leaving the EU a success As some of us warned before the referendum, that was never, ever going to happen.
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Maybe excite is the wrong word but they need to do something to get the energy back into this whole project. Even the truest of true believers at the Express at starting to drip stories into their readers ears that maybe things aren't all rosy.
Was anyone really dreaming of Brexit to reduce pat testing and to let people be used as crash test dummies for new medical treatments?
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I agree and have stated similar, it's like they got what they wanted but don't know what to do with it.
That's just your negativity. If they did do crap people disagree with, we can vote them out. Not an option when the EU was doing the changing..........
That's just your negativity. If they did do crap people disagree with, we can vote them out. Not an option when the EU was doing the changing..........
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TBF, we desperately need a viable opposition party, otherwise they'll do what the hell they want and treat the public with apparent disdain.
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It's almost like there isn't much they can do with it because it has created a series of problems that they can't deal with.
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Yes, it’s hard to say exactly how much of our economic problems are down to whatever combination of covid, Ukraine, Brexit, etc but this lot have given it a good try on the economic effects of Brexit that will take some explaining away …
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds
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The GDP graph looks a bit odd. Are they saying if we had stayed we would have outstripped EU GDP growth? Also the covid dips/recovery/dips look to follow the same pattern but are somehow more severe from being out. The EU pattern was a bit different to ours and we had more of a boost from early vaccines. The EU covid GDP was propped up early by Germany, this didn't help France, Spain. Italy etc as individual countries though. Therefore can they say it would have helped us?DaveWHU1964 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:02 am Yes, it’s hard to say exactly how much of our economic problems are down to whatever combination of covid, Ukraine, Brexit, etc but this lot have given it a good try on the economic effects of Brexit that will take some explaining away …
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds
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Heseltine makes a point or two that I’ve been making regarding Brexit newspapers/ politicians/ commentators gradual realisation of what they’ve done. Not that any/ many will blame themselves. It will of course be someone else’s fault. Remainders, leftie politicians, the EU, etc, etc, etc …
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -brexit-eu
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -brexit-eu
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I'm not disputing all the points raised in the article, but it should be noted that Heseltine was/is one of the most staunch remainers in the Tory party.DaveWHU1964 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:02 pm Heseltine makes a point or two that I’ve been making regarding Brexit newspapers/ politicians/ commentators gradual realisation of what they’ve done. Not that any/ many will blame themselves. It will of course be someone else’s fault. Remainders, leftie politicians, the EU, etc, etc, etc …
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -brexit-eu
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Re: Brexit referendum result aftermath
The sound of penny’s dropping in our Brexity media was palpable this week. As Hezza says, if Murdochs Pravda’s and the Express & Mail are now pointing out the carnage its because it just can’t be ignored anymore.
I got the daggers at Faro airport few weeks ago when I skipped out of the mile-long ‘Non-EU’ passport queue and pulled the Eire passport from my back pocket. A small thing, but this is most peoples only direct involvement with the bureaucracy Brexit has brought, and the anger of standing sweating in an airport concourse before starting their holiday was there.
All the propaganda billionaire tax exiles can buy won’t diffuse the building anger.
I got the daggers at Faro airport few weeks ago when I skipped out of the mile-long ‘Non-EU’ passport queue and pulled the Eire passport from my back pocket. A small thing, but this is most peoples only direct involvement with the bureaucracy Brexit has brought, and the anger of standing sweating in an airport concourse before starting their holiday was there.
All the propaganda billionaire tax exiles can buy won’t diffuse the building anger.
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Of course that’s right Bends but it’s not his views that are interesting here, but those of these absolutely dyed in the wool Brexiters’.
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There is quite a bit of cherry picking in that article.
Do any of the brexit press point the finger at Brexit specifically or are they broad - the economy is struggling - pieces? The mail one is about calling for tax cuts for instance.
Tbh I think it's as wrong to pick a moment of change as evidence it will never work as it is/was to say everything will immediately be fine. For example as he points out, exports to non EU countries have replaced about a 3rd of the lost EU exports. That's an ongoing process of change. It may not ever work but to say after 18 months that replacing 1/3 of lost eu exports is a sign it won't ever work seems a bit hasty. After all it took 40 years to build up the exports to that level within the EU.
Do any of the brexit press point the finger at Brexit specifically or are they broad - the economy is struggling - pieces? The mail one is about calling for tax cuts for instance.
Tbh I think it's as wrong to pick a moment of change as evidence it will never work as it is/was to say everything will immediately be fine. For example as he points out, exports to non EU countries have replaced about a 3rd of the lost EU exports. That's an ongoing process of change. It may not ever work but to say after 18 months that replacing 1/3 of lost eu exports is a sign it won't ever work seems a bit hasty. After all it took 40 years to build up the exports to that level within the EU.
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Person who voted for tiger face eating party is surprised when face is eaten by tigers
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He told all and sundry there will be no borders in the Irish Sea and if there was we're to phone him (When he's not either on hes jollies or in a hi viz somewhere) an he will tell them to throw the paperwork in the bin and is now having a tantrum the lie has been exposed. He isn't and never was committed to Brexit he has used it for hes own ends to become Prime Minister he had 2 dossiers one to support Leave and one to support Remain he waited until the last possible moment to commit to what side and once he went for Leave he then planned to be Prime Minister and then rushed this 'Oven Ready' through with bluster and lies
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Not sure if it needs it's own thread, but seemingly as Brexit is wound so close with the EU, what impact will this have on European relations?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61859881
Surely Macron has lost his mandate to take France balls deep into fuller EU integration?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61859881
Surely Macron has lost his mandate to take France balls deep into fuller EU integration?
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Re: Brexit referendum result aftermath
The vote was six years ago tomorrow.
Has anyone changed their mind either way or feel that their choice has been vindicated?
Has anyone changed their mind either way or feel that their choice has been vindicated?
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You’ve definitely had one poster here that has changed his mind.
Sadly I think my choice has been vindicated.