Brexit referendum result aftermath

[666 hammer]

If job security is the concern, then this would be allowed. It seems that pro EU lobby pick and choose jobs worthy of keeping depending on the current narrative. As members we lost plenty of jobs to cheaper member states, and some to non EU members with their blessing.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/taxp ... jsdcmsn23k

[Monkeybubbles]

If job security is the concern, then this would be allowed. It seems that pro EU lobby pick and choose jobs worthy of keeping depending on the current narrative. As members we lost plenty of jobs to cheaper member states, and some to non EU members with their blessing.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/taxp ... jsdcmsn23k

Can you can explain to me how the UK leaving the EU would make the American company Ford less likely to set up a more efficient manufacturing operation in Turkey rather than the UK?

[bubbles1966]

It's 7 million tons, if you're having problems with Google. 33,000 jobs. Plus the hundreds of thousands of jobs of people involved in manufacturing goods from steel, which is now uncompetitive as an export stream.

You can throw them all on the scrapheap if you want, but I thought part of the upside of Brexit was going to be an increase in UK manufacturing, what with all those oven-ready deals.

Record Job Opportunities for Brits

The number of job vacancies in August to October 2021 continued to rise to a new record of 1,172,000, an increase of 388,000 from the pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic January to March 2020 level, with 15 of the 18 industry sectors showing record highs.

Demonstrably better than membership of the EU ever was.

[Monkeybubbles]

Record Job Opportunities for Brits

The number of job vacancies in August to October 2021 continued to rise to a new record of 1,172,000, an increase of 388,000 from the pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic January to March 2020 level, with 15 of the 18 industry sectors showing record highs.

Demonstrably better than membership of the EU ever was.

Or worse than it ever was.....we need to get some EU people over to fill all those vacancies that Brits don't want otherwise business will be screwed.

[bubbles1966]

Or worse than it ever was.....we need to get some EU people over to fill all those vacancies that Brits don't want otherwise business will be screwed.

Numbers in Payrolled Jobs -higher than ever - demonstrably better than it ever was in the EU.

otherwise business will be screwed.

You old Tory, you.

[Monkeybubbles]

Numbers in Payrolled Jobs -higher than ever - demonstrably better than it ever was in the EU.

Unsustainable without export growth, as you well
know.

You old Tory, you.

Boris Johnson: "**** business".

Someone has to care

[bubbles1966]

Boris Johnson: "**** business".

Someone has to care

I thought the accusation was that he was dishing contracts out to his business mates...

I clearly haven't understood yours and others' posts.

[York Ham(mer)]

Oh! The Express taking a negative view of Brexit? Things must be bad.

"BREXIT, according to its backers, was meant to create endless opportunities. So far, however, the UK has failed to make the vote profitable, with the prospect of "global Britain" quickly fading according to recent data."

[666 hammer]

Can you can explain to me how the UK leaving the EU would make the American company Ford less likely to set up a more efficient manufacturing operation in Turkey rather than the UK?

It doesn't. The point being, that as members, jobs where not protected. Which seems to be the remain argument. Especially as the EU loaned a non EU member to move a factory to a Non EU member state.

[EvilC]

It doesn't. The point being, that as members, jobs where not protected. Which seems to be the remain argument. Especially as the EU loaned a non EU member to move a factory to a Non EU member state.

It was supported by the government here. I assume there was some reason for doing so, like with foreign aid.

Have you got anything to offer on the steel tariffs or just whataboutery on news that is a decade old?

[delbert]

https://www.ft.com/content/fb620b8a-49d ... 128a60e805

If we'd had left the EU earlier the tariffs wouldn't have applied in the first place.

On a more serious note, are Biden's NORAID chums going to influence every dealing between us?

[EvilC]

https://www.ft.com/content/fb620b8a-49d ... 128a60e805

If we'd had left the EU earlier the tariffs wouldn't have applied in the first place.

On a more serious note, are Biden's NORAID chums going to influence every dealing between us?

Probably, well, at least until he is gone.

[666 hammer]

It was supported by the government here. I assume there was some reason for doing so, like with foreign aid.

Have you got anything to offer on the steel tariffs or just whataboutery on news that is a decade old?

It is not whataboutery but real evidence that the EU did not protect British workers. We are however in a position to negotiate tariffs for ourselves. Whether the government is competent is another question. And that will be voted for next election.

[EvilC]

It is not whataboutery but real evidence that the EU did not protect British workers. We are however in a position to negotiate tariffs for ourselves. Whether the government is competent is another question. And that will be voted for next election.

The British government didn’t protect British workers in this instance. There were very likely other things in play here, as neither the EU or the British government are likely to do something against their own interests.

Yes, and in this case we have tariffs that are worse for us than for the EU. Congratulations and welcome to Brexit.

[Monkeybubbles]

It doesn't. The point being, that as members, jobs where not protected. Which seems to be the remain argument. Especially as the EU loaned a non EU member to move a factory to a Non EU member state.

Mate, you really need to start looking into the things you post opinions about. As a couple of people have said, the Internet is very good for that.

Regarding the Ford plant, did we not do this on here a couple of years ago?


Anyway, try this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/emporersnewc ... 97?lang=en

And the answer here:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-EU-lo ... -in-the-EU

In fact, I'll paste that last answer here for you:

......the European Investment bank made a decision to approve a loan request from a multinational, exactly as it is supposed to do.

What it did NOT do was hand Ford money to abandon the EU. Ford made that decision on its own because it wanted to consolidate its European production and it chose a larger, cheaper, more efficient and more modern plant. It could have kept the more expensive factory, but it is a business and not a charity.

The key point is that Ford was restructuring operations all over the world at the time. It had been hit HARD by the fianncial crisis, it was losing money and the Southampton plant was inefficient.

The EIB even provided loans to Ford that were intended to safeguard jobs in the UK

“The European Investment Bank is pleased to support Ford’s cutting-edge engine research and development in Dunton and Dagenham, and the company’s upgrading of manufacturing operations in Bridgend, Southampton and Dagenham, in particular through the European Clean Transport Facility. A new generation of low-emission engines and more fuel-efficient vehicles will develop new skills and innovation across the United Kingdom, and these new vehicles will make a significant contribution to combating climate change.” said European Investment Bank Vice President Simon Brooks.

“Ford has an impressive track record in research and development. Its investment of GBP 1.5 billion over the next five years is a great opportunity to take the lead in developing low carbon manufacturing. This backing from the Government will help to ensure the long term success of manufacturing in the UK and make sure we are at the forefront of new technologies.” said Business Minister Mark Prisk.

"This European Investment Bank loan, and the loan guarantee from the UK Government, will help to unlock up to £1.5 billion in low-carbon and environmentally friendly engine and vehicle technology investment over the next 5 years. This is a testament to the skills and capabilities of our UK workforce and demonstrates the scale of our commitment to Britain." said Ford of Britain Chairman Joe Greenwell.

That was 2010. Unfortuantely, Ford’s European operations continued to lose money, so they brought the same “One Ford” program that worked in the US to Europe. That led to plants being closed down as Ford consolidated work in fewer factories and got rid of excess capacity.

That closure was going to happen regardless of anything the EU did. An £80 million loan that Ford will have to pay back and which had no impact on UK production was not enough to offset £27 million in European losses. Suggesting that Ford gave up £1.5 billion worth of UK investment to snag an £80 million loan is illogical.

[Monkeybubbles]

It is not whataboutery but real evidence

It is not real evidence

[Junco Partner]

With all the party at No.10 hoo-hah I see Johnson's government has very quietly but also very completely folded in the fishing dispute with the French.

Taking back control

[DaveWHU1964]

With all the party at No.10 hoo-hah I see Johnson's government has very quietly but also very completely folded in the fishing dispute with the French.

Taking back control

That even the uber-Brexit Express ^^^ is showing doubt/ pointing out the current poor upshot of Brexit failures says a lot.

It's pretty clear now that we've been weakened as a nation - they've made us 'smaller' than we need be. That is a huge, huge shame and will have consequences for many of those that voted for Brexit, which is a genuine shame as they deserve, and more importantly, need better than the outcomes as they seem to be shaping up.

And before anyone says we won't know the outcome for 20, 30, 40, a million years or whatever save your breath. Those 17 million weren't expecting the kind of timetable to judge the success of it that the likes of Rees-Mogg want. They'll need to feel and see that overall, Brexit has been positive for them and theirs far sooner than that. I doubt they'll wait five years to make judgement let alone 20.

[bubbles1966]

The need for them to comply with our requirements, apply for licences and then wait upon our permissions pretty much proves that we do indeed have control that we had previously forfeited. French still have the hump. Demonstrably (and amusingly) better than being in the EU

In other news, a century-plus old £180bn a year turnover oil giant is giving up on the EU and headquartering over here: https://www.businesslive.co.za/bloomber ... ove-to-uk/

[OFT]

That even the uber-Brexit Express ^^^ is showing doubt/ pointing out the current poor upshot of Brexit failures says a lot.

It's pretty clear now that we've been weakened as a nation - they've made us 'smaller' than we need be. That is a huge, huge shame and will have consequences for many of those that voted for Brexit, which is a genuine shame as they deserve, and more importantly, need better than the outcomes as they seem to be shaping up.

And before anyone says we won't know the outcome for 20, 30, 40, a million years or whatever save your breath. Those 17 million weren't expecting the kind of timetable to judge the success of it that the likes of Rees-Mogg want. They'll need to feel and see that overall, Brexit has been positive for them and theirs far sooner than that. I doubt they'll wait five years to make judgement let alone 20.

I find myself in complete agreement with you again Dave.

In rudimentary terms, it's a shitshow , always had the potential to be and IMO will continue to be long after most on here won't be around to care.
My grandchildren however.........