delbert wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:27 pm
Currently, it does.
No it didn't, it boiled down to leaving the EU.
I'll go out on a limb here and wager you haven't spoken to all 17.4 million people.
I'll go out on another limb and wager you have no evidence to back up the claim that everyone you mentioned has dual nationality.
You might be right there......
The whole brexit campaign was around taking back control of our boarders. Sugar coat it all you want but at the core immigration was the biggest factor in the vote and was used by many in the leave camp.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:16 pm
There is so much nonsense in this it's difficult to know where to begin so I will stick to this bit. As one of the 17.4m I have no problem with immigration from the EU I know a few who do but far more who don't either. The problem with freedom of movement is it is in its nature uncontrolled. Therefore difficult to plan infrastructure for, difficult to avoid being exploitative and difficult to prevent talent drifting to wealth. The flaws in it showed up with expansion. Nothing wrong with the idea but the implementation needed work.
You are saying you are for and against immigration in the same breath. You can't plan for the numbers regardless if you have freedom of movement or not. Sadly what many political and talking heads lie to the public about is immigration. The only real way this country will see any economic growth now is to increase the levels of immigration
Alternatively, only one survives and picks up all 250 covers.
With less staff than the three combined. Costs then continue to increase hitting demand and 250 covers becomes 175. Welcome to next year.
Supply side recession is great for workers until they start losing their jobs because lack of supply causes higher prices which then reduces demand.
I'd say we are about to hit demand recession and things are going to get nasty in the services space. I hope they all saved up the few £s Brexit windfall they've had to date as I fear they will need it.
Slow down already hitting at my place as the banks tighten their belts.
Prob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:02 pm
You are saying you are for and against immigration in the same breath. You can't plan for the numbers regardless if you have freedom of movement or not. Sadly what many political and talking heads lie to the public about is immigration. The only real way this country will see any economic growth now is to increase the levels of immigration
No I'm not. I'm against 30m people having the right to up sticks and move here if the mood takes them.
If you have a limit on numbers you can plan better. Even if the limit is flexible to a degree you can plan better. Whether anyone would plan is a different issue.
What happens to the countries people immigrate from to deliver us this boom?
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:22 pm
The forecast peak for unemployment is only 4.9%. The graphic below covering a period of 50 years gives an idea of just how good that is.
The % is irrelevant if those working aren't enough to make the economy grow. The absolute number in productive employment is the key not the % not working.
We have, for example, an aging population who are not in that % once they hit a certain age.
So low % unemployment and most people still end up poorer. We are a dying country in economic terms if we are not careful.
Depending on where you look for statistics, I read somewhere yesterday that around 600-700k people have "taken themselves out of employment", so don't contribute to unemployment figures.
chelmsfordhammer91 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:17 pm
Depending on where you look for statistics, I read somewhere yesterday that around 600-700k people have "taken themselves out of employment", so don't contribute to unemployment figures.
No idea how they afford it though.
They count as economically inactive.
This can be students, housewives/husbands, sick, disabled, carers or people who have retired early or who have independent means who do not need engage with the labour market.
Pensioners and school children aren't included.
Simply adjusting policies around student numbers and the pension age redefines the size of the overall numbers. Upward revision of the pension age - pretty much an inevitability - adds something like 800,000 per additional year up to 70.
The government could also consider changes in social policy to return the fertility ratio in this country to 2.1 (the replenishment rate) by dramatically rethinking family support systems.
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:31 pm
The government could also consider changes in social policy to return the fertility ratio in this country to 2.1 (the replenishment rate) by dramatically rethinking family support systems.
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:30 pm
Well, how long do you think it would take this society (the UK, you could perhaps say western Europe) to topple over if that isn't achieved?
Go on, think about it.
You've spent god knows how long pissing your drawers about the need for immigration.
I’ll be dead, my kids will be dead so honestly I don’t care. Japan etc has been like that for ages. China heading that way. Global population is going to massively decline by 2050. We need to radically rethink not head back to the 1950s
MB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:38 pm
I’ll be dead, my kids will be dead so honestly I don’t care. Japan etc has been like that for ages. China heading that way. Global population is going to massively decline by 2050. We need to radically rethink not head back to the 1950s
There will be an extra 2-3bn people in this world within 60 years and the pattern of demographic change is inevitably going to change the world. The west is going to look like an increasingly unusual, idiosyncratic and vulnerable commune to many of the growing parts of the world as they extend their reach and power. The language and behaviour reflecting this is already there.
It's fairly clear that our society - or at least the current social welfare model - is already collapsing. It's only going to accelerate.
You will see it and live it. So will your children.
