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Bringing the King into things appears to be another huge roll of the Rishi dice.
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Essexmaniac wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:32 am Bringing the King into things appears to be another huge roll of the Rishi dice.
I read that as rice dish.. :crylol:
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It's still funny to me that it was Brexit that limited our control over soverign parts of our nations, and we're now going cap in hand to the EU to regain that control.

Still, blue passports.
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Am I alone in not really understanding the fuss about Von der Leyen potentially (and now definitely) meeting the head of state? If nobody had commented on what they thought it means and I just saw "VdL to meet King" I'd assume it was just a nicety for a very senior diplomat.


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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:55 am Am I alone in not really understanding the fuss about Von der Leyen potentially (and now definitely) meeting the head of state? If nobody had commented on what they thought it means and I just saw "VdL to meet King" I'd assume it was just a nicety for a very senior diplomat.


The noise from DUP was they don't want the King to mix in politics. Charlie himself said he would not get involved in political matters in the way he has in the past.
Not sure if Sunak's advisors felt getting him involved would appease the ultra royalist loyalists?
Controversial and a big gamble.
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Essexmaniac wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:18 am Plus Steve Baker is rumoured to be on resignation watch, so that could spark more exits and problems for Sunak. Problems which he will have calculated for, for the greater cause you'd hope.
I think you can cross him off the resignation list.

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I was already surprised by Baker's general more accomodating exchanges since he took on his current role.
He has really changed.
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Essexmaniac wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:37 pm ⏫

I was already surprised by Baker's general more accomodating exchanges since he took on his current role.
He has really changed.
I think the Tory opposition will be limted to bitter Truss/Johnson supporters, 20 tops.

The DUP, I suspect, will do anything to avoid returning to Stormont under a Sinn Fein first minister
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Big George wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:04 pm I think the Tory opposition will be limted to bitter Truss/Johnson supporters, 20 tops.

The DUP, I suspect, will do anything to avoid returning to Stormont under a Sinn Fein first minister
The DUP will do anything to continue to incite hatred and division in Ireland. They are Neanderthals.
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Big George wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:04 pm The DUP, I suspect, will do anything to avoid returning to Stormont under a Sinn Fein first minister
Wondering what you base that on Big George. Any evidence or statements you can point to to back it up?
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:winker:
Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:25 pm Wondering what you base that on Big George. Any evidence or statements you can point to to back it up?
NO. NEVER :winker:
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Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:25 pm Wondering what you base that on Big George. Any evidence or statements you can point to to back it up?
They were in Stormont for 2 years under the protocol when Arlene Foster and Paul Givan but as soon as they lost the elction they pulled out.

Nothing would make me happier to be proved wrong.
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They always claim they must have full alliance with GB.
Yet stand by different rules in NI for abortion, gay rights etc ...
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Big George wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 pm They were in Stormont for 2 years under the protocol when Arlene Foster and Paul Givan but as soon as they lost the elction they pulled out.

Nothing would make me happier to be proved wrong.
So no official statements, policy or evidence then. Just a hunch.

The Executive muddled through under intense pressure from the signing of the protocol to it's implementation but once the full scale of it's severing the Union became apparent in practice, remember the Johnson government were claiming there was no border in the Irish Sea for ages afterwards, it became impossible to continue.

Truth is it's a Joint Office, one can barely order a packet of post-its without the others agreement, and from 2007 to 2017, when SF pulled the pin, the DUP shared power with Sinn Fein who referred to it as the 'Joint Office of First and Deputy Minister'.

Just curios, when Sinn Fein collapsed the Executive for three years was that because they didn't want to serve under a 'Hun'?

Or does that logic only apply to one side? :chin:

I know the DUP are easy targets and have done a lot of damage to the overall unionist cause but sometimes they are as big as victims of prejudice and blind bigotry as anyone else.
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Is it too early to tell if the deal's any good? Or is it a case that anything must be better than the oven ready whatsit?

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-and-eu-ag ... e-12820788
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Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:25 pm So no official statements, policy or evidence then. Just a hunch.


Just curios, when Sinn Fein collapsed the Executive for three years was that because they didn't want to serve under a 'Hun'?


Or does that logic only apply to one side? :chin:

I know the DUP are easy targets and have done a lot of damage to the overall unionist cause but sometimes they are as big as victims of prejudice and blind bigotry as anyone else.
You know that wasn't, it was because Philips refused to stand down temporarily to facilitate an investigation into her handling of the ill-fated Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) scheme.

DUP victims of bigotry ?
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^^^^and the KKK were just misunderstood
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I was food shopping here in Switzerland at the weekend and the supermarket was just as well stocked as usual. Not in the EU and just as impacted by bad weather in Spain, but easier customs procedures means obtaining fresh produce is never an issue
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Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:25 pm So no official statements, policy or evidence then. Just a hunch.
An educated hunch,
Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:25 pm
Just curios, when Sinn Fein collapsed the Executive for three years was that because they didn't want to serve under a 'Hun'?


We knew what the issues exactly were. Big financial scandals and the Irish language issue.
Junco Partner wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:25 pm Or does that logic only apply to one side? :chin:

I know the DUP are easy targets and have done a lot of damage to the overall unionist cause but sometimes they are as big as victims of prejudice and blind bigotry as anyone else.
SF has served under Paisley, Trumble etc for 21 of the 24 years since the GF agreement and restablishment of power at Stormont.

To say I don't have any affection for SF would be an understatement, I just want to see peace in Northern Ireland because I'm old enough to remeber what it was when there wasn't. Donaldson seems more sensible than some of this colleagues, I hope he can make it work.
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Whitters wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:22 pm I was food shopping here in Switzerland at the weekend and the supermarket was just as well stocked as usual. Not in the EU and just as impacted by bad weather in Spain, but easier customs procedures means obtaining fresh produce is never an issue
There you go. It's the way the Swiss roll.
Less paperwork and checks, less costs, stocks run more smoothly. It's why if we don't return to the single market, yet, Labour will seek a trade deal taken bits of the Norwegian or Swiss models.
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