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I’m the opposite, just gets better and better for me.

The level of technical ability and how well rounded these fighters are becoming really is something to behold.

Some of the grappling transitions and Jitsu has just been sublime to watch. And as always you get the wow moments like Blaydes getting wiped out with one big punch.

Buzzing for the card tonight. I fear for Izzy I love him and really don’t want to see Polish Power stove his head in!
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DasNutNock2 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:22 pm Trying to care about these fights, but just can’t get excited for some reason. Dunno why, maybe I’m just less into MMA than I was when I was younger.

Talk of Dan Hardy coming out of retirement to fight Matt Brown, who called him out at least 10 years ago, a fight I’d far prefer to watch than some of today’s low-risk fighters jab at each other for 3 rounds.
Yeah, I lost the buzz a while ago, it just doesn't have that x-factor any more.

Whilst the fighters may all be technically superb, the sport it'self is nowhere near as good, or as exciting as it was 15-20 years ago.
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I just want Khabib to come back :( Wasn’t particularly popular in the states for various reasons (jingoism, the widely-held conviction that grappling is boring to watch etc) but my God, I’ve still never seen a fighter look so utterly unstoppable, and his opponents so bereft of response. I’d put him above GSP in the “how the f*ck am I meant to stop him?” charts (Silva &
Jones don’t count due to PED use).

Anyway, Leon Edwards tonight, who doesn’t seem hugely popular, even if he is fairly well respected. Be interesting to see how he copes with 600 days of inactivity.
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S-H wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:59 pm Yeah, I lost the buzz a while ago, it just doesn't have that x-factor any more.

Whilst the fighters may all be technically superb, the sport it'self is nowhere near as good, or as exciting as it was 15-20 years ago.
There was a lot of be said for the “specialist” era when you’d have a lot of fighters who were experts at one style and pretty workmanlike at others. Now that they all train in every department there’s a tendency to cancel each other out - understandable, but not necessarily the wild entertainment it used to be.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

Shamrock vs Ortiz.

What a time to be alive.
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I can distinctly recall seeing my first UFC event on VHS back in 1995. I’d read an article in Loaded Magazine not long beforehand, detailing one of the first shows, coincidentally it was the same one my mate had on tape (UFC3).

To say I didn’t have a clue was was going on would be an understatement - years of watching martial arts movies led me to expect to see two blokes stood vaguely stationary in front of each other, winging flashy, unblocked roundhouse kicks to the head (van Damme) or exchanging in intricate patterns of classical styles (Chan, Lee etc). What we actually saw was a fair amount of “wildstyling” exchanges, scruffy takedowns and rolling about on the floor. But it definitely took my interest, mostly from the “which style is most effective?” angle the early events were taking.

Was some time before I really started to understand what they were actually doing, and it wasn’t until I started training myself that I really got a handle on matters. My favourite eras were when we got hold of Pride event tapes in the early 00s and then the mid-00s when Bisping appeared on TUF3 and we started getting live events on U.K. TV.

Went to UFC 75 and 95 at the O2 - 75 in particular was absolutely electric, as good as any atmosphere I’ve experienced anywhere (Bisping vs Hamill, Kongo vs Cro Cop & Rampage vs Henderson). This continued until maybe the early/mid-10s when the excitement seemed to go out of the sport a bit.

They put on far too many events IMO, and it started feeling much more run-of-the-mill, even when the fights were good. Maybe the novelty’s gone out of the sport, maybe the exclusivity, maybe even the commentary. Either way, I think we’ve passed the peak and Dana’s vision of MMA taking over the world has probably hit the skids.
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I first started watching it when chuck liddell was fighting randy couture and then when the scary rampage Jackson came on the scene, although I remember watching on video years before that various fights including a jujitsu guy choking out a boxer who was actually wearing boxing gloves
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taust68 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:10 pm I first started watching it when chuck liddell was fighting randy couture and then when the scary rampage Jackson came on the scene, although I remember watching on video years before that various fights including a jujitsu guy choking out a boxer who was actually wearing boxing gloves
Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson, UFC 1:

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My mistake he was wearing one boxing glove
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DasNutNock2 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:20 pm Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson, UFC 1:

I understand why people liked watching these formative fights, a boxer wearing one glove being mounted and head butted by a Gracie Jiu Jitsu black belt who then gets the tap for no reason other than inexperience off his back of his opponent and the ref has to be told he’s tapped because he’s too incompetent to see it.

For me though it’s just a bit of a freak show. The sport is millions of times better and more entertaining now.

It’s like my girlfriend enjoys watching the World Cup when you get teams like Columbia in a penalty shoot out against a stylistically polarised Engerrrlaaand with a carnival atmosphere.

In that same vein she wouldn’t want to watch football every week. And would hate a 1-1 draw between an AC Milan and Real Madrid who had world class defences.

I enjoy watching technicians at the very top of their game. Just because there isn’t always massive knockouts or clear and obvious mismatches in strengths doesn’t detract from it for me, I’m happy to watch 5 rounds of high level submission wrestling and grappling and equally happy watching 5 rounds of technically intricate kickboxing. Jitsu is an art form to be revered it really does it a disservice to turn it into a clown show.

Some fans aren’t into this though. They want the carnival atmosphere, they want the WWE experience without the necessary suspension of disbelief required to enjoy that pantomime. There are still loads of promotions in the Far East where this crap is still aired though, 60kg guys against 200kg guys. The “karate guy” in the Gi fighting the sumo wrestler.

I’m glad the UFC is trying to give the sport some credibility.
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That Ngannou bloke is a scary b*stard and no mistake.
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Yea he is, I had a feeling he was going to spark miocic out, Stirling is now the only US champion which was a controversial fight, 3 African world champions
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taust68 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:28 pm Yea he is, I had a feeling he was going to spark miocic out, Stirling is now the only US champion which was a controversial fight, 3 African world champions
I thought Stipe would win by a dominant decision, shows how much I know.
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DasNutNock2 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:54 pm I thought Stipe would win by a dominant decision, shows how much I know.
I had a tenner on a Francis knockout in the 4th, as soon as he sprawled and stuffed that takedown it was looking grim for Stipe. His power is terrifying, Miocic actually looked shocked.

Jon Jones beware.
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DasNutNock2 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:54 pm I thought Stipe would win by a dominant decision, shows how much I know.
I heard Michael bisping and chael sonnen both say they thought stipe would win by decision, I'm not sure the Jon Jones fight will happen I'm thinking more a rematch with Derek Lewis
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Even if Jones hits his target weight of 245lbs, it’s hard to see how he could deal with the kind of power Ngannou possesses. That said, Cain Velasquez was able to manhandle opponents significantly more powerful than himself, so anything is possible. Jones doesn’t seem to possess much in the way of KO power in his hands, though, so if he wanted to box, I suspect he’d be in for a tough fight.
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Jeez, Weidman’s leg! :shock:
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I was just coming to post the same thing, it's he way he doesn't notice till he tries to put some weight on it :shock:
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Yea that leg break was hard to watch, I don't think I've ever watched a fight card where the fights ended so quick, Usman knocking out masvidal was insane such a clean punch
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York Ham(mer) wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:54 am Jeez, Weidman’s leg! :shock:

My son was talking to me about that yesterday - sounded gruesome from his description. He’s just started getting into in and had a total result on Saturday night putting a £1 bet on all results on the main card to be KO/TKO ... came away with £100 and decided to call me at 5am to tell me about it!!
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