the pink palermo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:14 am I was hoping we would get to see Stormy Daniels put in handcuffs.......
They couldn't fit the four poster bed into the Court Room apparently .
Shucks !!
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the pink palermo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:14 am I was hoping we would get to see Stormy Daniels put in handcuffs.......
vietnammer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:33 am Phew. No, I can't sleep and I'm sodded if I can read beyond the first pages of either. The official charges read a lot more nasty than the facts. Thought it was just the sexy stuff he was being indicted for, so the pre-election stuff has been hanging around for years? I dislike the bloke from a distance, but what buzzes round my little head is that wasn't Bill Clinton near prosecuted for lying under oath as well? And how many other people have entered dodgy payments as 'general fees' ? I mean I don't even like seeing his mouth opening and closing on tv and the media over here portray a very negative impression of his 'rust belt' supporters, but it grieves me to say that I think there is a 'witch hunt' going on here.Some very high-up people want him out of politics.
US politics since WW2 has been nothing short of a disgrace. It is the darkest of arts completely lacking in morality in the most part. From the assasination of JFK, to coups, to the middle East it's all shocking.The Old Man of Storr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am I dislike Trump with a passion but there's something completely dodgy about the way things are done in the US - the whole thing stinks .
Bend it like Repka wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:56 am
As a side note, considering all the guns and nutters in the US I'm still amazed no one has taken a pot shot at Donald. The CIA set up multiple plans to take out JFK. It can't be that hard.
I agree that their system of political appointments for many different judicial posts seems amazing. In fact, the longer I think about it, the crazier it seems. However, it is deeply embedded in the manner by which the different aspects of power and control are administered in that country and has been in place for decades and decades, such that it was broadly the same for Nixon and Clinton before Trump even became a Republican (a shift which was totally self-serving).RichieRiv wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:59 am It's natural for people to be sceptical when the New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg is an elected official and a Democrat. This is not 100% political, but it certainly plays its part.
What I find amazing is how politicised the judiciary is in the US. What a shitty system.
Hunter Biden's laptop has been the subject of lurid speculation since before 2016.The Old Man of Storr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am I feel the same -
Biden's son and the laptop that went ' missing ' .
Had that come to light before the Elections then Trump would have romped it .
I dislike Trump with a passion but there's something completely dodgy about the way things are done in the US - the whole thing stinks .
Still , Putin , eh ?
Although not American myself, my in-laws etc are, and they have spitballed some interesting theories. One is that America has a strange hierarchy even amongst its strata of poverty. Historically, the 'poor' delineated themselves from the 'very poor', and voted Republican on the belief that they worked hard for what they earned, and therefore, so should everybody including the 'very poor'. Trump stepped in to court the vote of the 'very poor', which included the rust belt, which had gone from a thriving hub of manufacturing to virtual ghost town, where peoples means dropped dramatically. Trump was able to leverage that with his 'America First' mantra, which was also an easy sop to the 'very poor' (who traditionally voted Democrat), in saying that simply by being American, you were better. Essentially, he is now picking up votes from the poor and very poor alike. He also is able to tap into the 'I'm alright jack' mentality that exists across suburban America, where the only negatives of his policy would be marginal on their taxes, and profits on their personal investments. Some just wanted to see what he would do.The Old Man of Storr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:18 pm
Did he improve the lives of ordinary Americans - if not , why has he got so much support , it's truly baffling ?
I'm not that well up on American Domestic Policy - folk tell me that Obama was a great President but I struggle to think what he achieved ?
Be interesting to hear from our America based posters .
It's all very dirty across the board right now, I agree. But, no other dirty President and his coalition has tried what Trump has tried on a scale this big. Ignoring most of his very dangerous transgressions over a 3 year period, and focussing on just his last year in office, he demonstrably tried to steal an election through coercion, through misinformation on a global scale, through fraud, through bribery and in the end through violence. It isn't an exaggeration to say that he attempted a coup d'é·tat. He needs to be prosecuted.The Old Man of Storr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am I feel the same -
Biden's son and the laptop that went ' missing ' .
Had that come to light before the Elections then Trump would have romped it .
I dislike Trump with a passion but there's something completely dodgy about the way things are done in the US - the whole thing stinks .
Still , Putin , eh ?
I get what you're saying, but I don't entirely agree. It's a lot more complicated than this. That said, I can't chat about it right now. Got to get some work done before KO. COYI!Shabu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:59 pm To expand on Het-fields excellent post, after WWII America had 50% of the world's manufacturing. Europe was a wreck & the rest of the planet was not yet developed or also wrecked.
So in the 50s & 60s you could be as thick as **** but still have a well paying job then a great pension.
As the rest of the world caught up, so did corporate greed. In 1970 a CEO earnt roughly seven times what the average worker did. Now it's hundreds more. Money doesn't flow back into local communities but into the pockets of Walmart, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.
Couple that with American television telling them how superior they are to non whites & non Americans.
From the 80s onwards they have less money and see others (blacks, latinos foreign companies etc) having more influence in America.
Then trump comes along and says 'We're taking back America. We're making it great again" & they lap it up. He's promised them a place back at the head of the table.
Watch any commercial here and you'll see it tell Americans that they are the best and deserve the best. It's ingrained into them from a youthful age.
trump's just sending the same message.
I dont have a link, but The Guardian had an interesting article on a town called Beattyville KY, which was the poorest, majority white town in the USA. A former coal mining hub, the companies that mined the coal never left a lasting social structure there, and when it became more profitable to mine elsewhere, they left. The only major industry that filled the void was the pharmaceutical companies that willingly provided for the mass prescription of strong painkillers (no jobs were provided) to the mining community that was feeling the effects of years in the mines. So they sold their wares, which in turn has impacted the manner in which lives are lived there, and have even seen things like the 'soda-pop' racket spring up, where food stamps can indirectly be traded for money.Shabu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:59 pm To expand on Het-fields excellent post, after WWII America had 50% of the world's manufacturing. Europe was a wreck & the rest of the planet was not yet developed or also wrecked.
So in the 50s & 60s you could be as thick as **** but still have a well paying job then a great pension.
As the rest of the world caught up, so did corporate greed. In 1970 a CEO earnt roughly seven times what the average worker did. Now it's hundreds more. Money doesn't flow back into local communities but into the pockets of Walmart, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.
Couple that with American television telling them how superior they are to non whites & non Americans.
From the 80s onwards they have less money and see others (blacks, latinos foreign companies etc) having more influence in America.
Then trump comes along and says 'We're taking back America. We're making it great again" & they lap it up. He's promised them a place back at the head of the table.
Watch any commercial here and you'll see it tell Americans that they are the best and deserve the best. It's ingrained into them from a youthful age.
trump's just sending the same message.
Pete,
I'm hoping it wasn't as bad as Paul Gadd's laptop..prophet:marginal wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:38 pm Hunter Biden's laptop has been the subject of lurid speculation since before 2016.
That's a cult for you, TOMoS.The Old Man of Storr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:18 pm I'm trying to see the good in him - but absolutely nothing springs to mind apart from him keeping Russia onside which I found refreshing in a US President .
Did he improve the lives of ordinary Americans - if not , why has he got so much support , it's truly baffling ?
Most people hate him. It's just a core 30% or so that like him. And they WILL vote, just like the pro Brexit voters did (I'm not saying for or against Brexit, just that the pro Brexit crowd were more fervent).Samba wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:59 am That's a cult for you, TOMoS.
Rednecks, yeehaws, the poorly educated, racists, the 'anti-woke', there's millions of them & Trump's got them all eating out of his tiny, little hands.
He's a charlatan & a dreadful, human being.
"I'm President! Can you believe it?"
No Donald, we really couldn't.
I genuinely fear for America if he ever becomes President again.