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‘Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.’
Voltaire said that.
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Was it really Voltaire? It sounds like a Rage Against the Machine lyric.
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Arnold Layne wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:02 am ‘Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.’
Voltaire said that.
Equally suited to the Ukraine thread, which kind of says a lot, I suppose.
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rare as rockinghorse shat wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:04 pm The 'of all the **** that needs to be done, people are worrying about the stupid **** he's said' sentiment is where I've been coming from this whole time when discussing the topic with people.

Hilarious, on election day, to ask people who are apparently anti-Trump to name one of his political suggestions and/or manifestos that they disagree with from a social, political or economical point of view.

"Ermm I dunno, I just don't like him"

Right.
Still true today six years later.
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IronHammer1 wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:30 pm Still true today six years later.
Of course the flip side to that is how many people could name policies of his they liked.

They just thought his insults of women, minorities and people with disabilities were a sign of strength.

They're wrong. He's a shitbag cowardly criminal but trump supporters were never the smartest bunch.
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trumps legacy continues to linger on & we could see a whole sh!tload of problems during the midterm elections in November.

A rural county in New Mexico, just north of El Paso where a trump supporter killed 23 mainly Hispanic people in a Walmart, is refusing to certify last weeks election results because they don't trust the counting machines.

These machines have been checked over & over & it's only because trump said they were rigged that there's this issue. So the commissioner, Couy Griffin - founder of Cowboys for trump & also convicted of attacking the US Capitol building on January 6th last year - is sitting tight.

These are just the primary elections (republican v republican and democrat v democrat to see who runs against each other in November) but I think we'll see a lot of this nonsense in November.

Incredible that the country that prides itself on being the worlds greatest democracy - indeed many Americans think this country invented democracy - is on the brink of having its democracy brought to it's knees by one man. Just one man, spouting obvious lies which have been proved false over & over again, will have a massive impact for decades to come.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles ... ry-results
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If Garland doesn't indict Trump and his minions after these hearings are over, then the mirage of democracy is done, or very close to being done here. At this point, the main reason for pretending that we live in one is because our military uses it as its primary marketing tool. Bringing democracy to the world one desert at a time.
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WCpete wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:33 pm If Garland doesn't indict Trump and his minions after these hearings are over, then the mirage of democracy is done, or very close to being done here. At this point, the main reason for pretending that we live in is because our military uses it as its primary marketing tool. Bringing democracy to the world one oil bearing desert at a time.
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These hearings are incredible. They are far more damning than either impeachment. Trump wanted violence in the streets. It was their clear strategy. Violence on a far broader and extensive scale than the attack on the Capitol. And the set up could have come from ‘The Godfather’ This is so ****ed up.
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Arnold Layne wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:02 am ‘Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.’
Voltaire said that.
When you look at the Trump mob you can see that Voltaire got it spot on.
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EvilC wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:24 am Was it really Voltaire? It sounds like a Rage Against the Machine lyric.
If RATM used the line then they borrowed it from Voltaire.
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And the way to make people believe absurdities is to be a master of Costanzaism.

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This should make any American's blood go cold. Highly respected and influential Conservative Judge Luttig, now retired from the circuit, said this at the hearings today:

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I'm hoping Mexico takes California back.
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The USA is the case for a Monarchy.

No one in their right mind would have swapped the Queen for any American president.
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Shabu wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:49 pm I'm hoping Mexico takes California back.
As in by force, or because we ask to be taken back? Because I'm not sure they'd want us back, tbh.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:55 pm The USA is the case for a Monarchy.

No one in their right mind would have swapped the Queen for any American president.
Thats a good point.
To be fair bubbles I wouldn't swap The Queen or her direct line for anyone over here who fancies being , or is likely to be elected president. The US system is a stark warning of that.
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Are the Jan 6th hearings available on anyone TV in the UK. ie free
Are many people watching if they are
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TSmitty wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 pm Are the Jan 6th hearings available on anyone TV in the UK. ie free
Are many people watching if they are
They're on youtube so available to everyone worldwide.
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They are available to everyone I know but I was thinking more about casual living room big TV general public types
not active go look for it types.
I was also interested in viewing stats for them. They might be available over there but I can't seem to see them from here
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