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Heather Cox Richardson wrote: November 23, 2021 (Tuesday)

On this date in 1876, William “Boss” Tweed, who had stolen between $25 and $200 million in his corrupt years at the head of New York City’s government and then fled to Spain to escape prison, was delivered up to authorities and sent back to jail.

One hundred and forty-five years later, the law is in the news again.

In Virginia today, a jury decided that the leaders of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in August 2017 violated state law by conspiring before the event “to intimidate, harass or harm.” The jury ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, five women and four men, including four people injured when James Fields rammed his car into protesters and killed 32-year-old protester Heather Heyer.

The plaintiffs sued five white nationalist organizations and 12 individual defendants, including prominent white supremacists Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler, and Christopher Cantwell, (known as the “Crying Nazi),” for engaging in a conspiracy to harm others. Over three weeks, the plaintiffs produced evidence that the defendants had talked of hitting protesters with cars at a party in Spencer’s apartment—known as the “Fash Loft” (short for fascist)—before the riot.

In their brief defense—their lawyers rested after a day and a half—the defendants tried to blame the deadly outcome of the riot on Fields alone and claimed their pre-event planning was just chatter amongst people who did not even know each other. Their talk of killing was just, as Spencer testified, “very juvenile and silly.” They said that they were simply exercising their First Amendment rights, that they acted in self defense, that the police should have kept the protesters apart, and that none of them knew Fields.

But the judge explained to the jury that a conspiracy did not require that the defendants committed violence themselves or even knew each other. It required only that they had the same goal and could foresee that violence would occur. Since it was a civil and not a criminal trial, they needed only to find “a preponderance of the evidence,” rather than guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt” as in criminal trials.

The jury awarded the plaintiffs $26 million in damages. As Dahlia Lithwick noted in an article in Slate.com, this is no small thing, even though the defendants are unlikely to be able to pay. Fields is in prison for life for killing Heyer; Cantwell is serving a prison term for threatening to rape a man’s wife in front of their children unless the man gave Cantwell information he wanted about someone else. Spencer is also broke; his wife accused him of violent abuse before she left him. As Lithwick put it: “This isn’t about squeezing blood from a stone. It’s about widespread agreement that the stone sucks.”

Conspiracy is on other minds today as the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol issued subpoenas for three groups and associated individuals who were involved in the violence of that day. Proud Boy International, LLC, and its chair Henry “Enrique” Tarrio; the Oath Keepers and their president Elmer Stewart Rhodes; and 1st Amendment Praetorian, along with the organization chair Robert Patrick Lewis, all got subpoenas.

Committee chair Bennie Thompson (D-MS) said: “The Select Committee is seeking information from individuals and organizations reportedly involved with planning the attack, with the violent mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6th, or with efforts to overturn the results of the election. We believe the individuals and organizations we subpoenaed today have relevant information about how violence erupted at the Capitol and the preparation leading up to this violent attack.”

Roger Stone, whom the committee subpoenaed yesterday, is already fundraising off the demand, and Alex Jones, also subpoenaed, today said that he will plead the Fifth—the constitutional amendment that protects an American citizen from being “compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself”—because he “doesn’t want to spend the rest of my life in prison.”

Today Texas Senator Ted Cruz tried to turn the horrific killings in Waukesha, Wisconsin, into political points. On Sunday, a man fleeing another crime scene plowed his SUV into a Christmas parade, injuring at least 48 people and killing six, so far. With reference to the fact that suspect Darrell Brooks was out of custody on bail, Cruz tweeted: “Across the country, radical Leftists are releasing violent criminals from jail—with little or no bail—only to see them commit yet more violent crimes…. This horrific mass murder is the latest example. And it was fully preventable.”

Cruz’s tweet recalls the Willie Horton ad of 1988, when the George H. W. Bush campaign pinned on then–Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis responsibility for the weekend furlough of a murderer who raped a woman and assaulted a man while on furlough, despite the fact that the parole law had been passed by Dukakis’s Republican predecessor.

Today, as civil rights lawyer Scott Hechinger said: “There is no ‘bail reform’ in Wisconsin. There has been no significant change to bail laws in Wisconsin in a decade. Bail was set in this case. Yet still, prosecutors, police, & right wing politicians are convincing everyone ‘bail reform’ is to blame. And media amplifies the lie.”

In another piece of legal news, yesterday Attorney General Merrick Garland swore into office a new U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, the office that oversees Manhattan and all the many financial transactions therein. The new U.S. attorney is Damian Williams. The son of Jamaican immigrants, Williams was educated at Harvard for college, the University of Cambridge for a master’s degree, and Yale Law School for law school. He is the first Black American to run the SDNY.

Williams clerked for Garland when the attorney general was a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, and Garland presided at Williams’s investiture yesterday. He used the opportunity to remind the attorneys and staff of the SDNY that the Department of Justice keeps our country safe from enemies both foreign and domestic and protects civil rights as it was chartered to do in 1879.

Above all, the Justice Department upholds the rule of law. It must treat everyone alike, Garland said. There must not be “one rule for Democrats and another for Republicans; one rule for friends and another for foes; one rule for the powerful, another for the powerless; one rule for the rich, another for the poor; or different rules, depending upon one's race or ethnicity.”

In the two years that Tweed ran the city of New York unchallenged, he bought off opponents, extorted rivals, and pocketed millions from public contracts. He operated with impunity until members of his own party joined with reformers to replace his cronies and cut off Tweed’s access to funds. Voters turned against his gang, many of whom fled the country.

In November 1873, Tweed was found guilty of larceny and forgery, fined the equivalent of almost $300,000 in today’s money, and sentenced to a year in prison. Upon his release, the state sued him in civil court to recover $6 million he had embezzled. Unable to raise bail, Tweed escaped the country. Returned to the U.S on a warship in 1876, he died of pneumonia two years later in prison.
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I fear a bit for what will happen on the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol Building in January. Here is an example of why. Congresswoman Boebert, a QAnon supporting, die hard Trump supporting, stop the steal election fraud pushing, possibly one of the organizers for the Jan 6 insurrection has recently posted videos of herself calling Muslim Democrat Congresswomen Ilhan Omar a terrorist, a member of Hamas, a black hearted evil person and so on and so on.

After the videos of Boebert went viral, Omar started getting calls like this:

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Thing is, these threats aren’t idle anymore. Too many people are willing to go through with them.
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Reckon Trump will run in '24, guys?
I realise that might well be a silly question..
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I reckon that by then he won't be extreme right enough for a lot of his base. He'll be emboldened that no one has gone after him for any of the alleged crimes he and his coven have committed. I'm sure he'd like to run. You'll probably have an answer after the midterms.
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WCpete wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:29 am ......
My god, shocking doesn't even start to describe it. :shock: It looks like the US is literally trying to tear itself apart.

Edit: China & Russia must be rubbing their hands at whats going on over there.
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Finally some activity from the January 6 commission. Liz Cheney is dropping claymores on the GOP insurgents. All of these texts to Mark Meadows indicate that the attack on the Capitol Building was planned but had escalated beyond their expectation. Fox News knew about it beforehand. GOP members knew about it beforehand. And Mark Meadows was at the reins. The texts were from Congressmen, Fox News hosts and one from Trump Jr.

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Samba wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:21 am Reckon Trump will run in '24, guys? I realise that might well be a silly question..
Not silly at all.

One scenario is that Trump builds a media company, and influences the GOP from the sidelines.
He has already control over large parts of the GOP. The media company is a certain money making machine for him, and not be in politics will keep him from harms way. It is the sensible approach for him. Make money, stay in the limelight, stay safe.

He is rarely sensible over time though.
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trump & Bill O'Reilly are currently doing a tour of Florida & Texas. I have no idea why anyone would want to go to see it but they're charging a minimum of hundreds of dollars & some are paying thousands. Just top listen to these two old ****ers natter about stolen election & the fake freedom many Americans think they have but no one else does.

So they're raking in a few hundred thousand every few days but not sure what the attendees are getting out of this.

Anyway, at a shindig this weekend Billy asked trump if he's got the vaccine booster to which trump said "Yep" & some of them booed him. So now I'm wondering if these people, who paid a lot of money to listen to him, did not realise that he'd be having the best medical attention money can get. He's a billionaire son of a billionaire who went to the most expensive schools & has lived an elite privileged life, rubbing shoulders with the mega wealthy & celebrities the world over. Do they still just think he's 'one of them', a regular bloke who clocks in a hard days work then hangs out at the diner with his neighbours? It's incredible that they're still ****ing over money to this bloke that hates them.

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I think I’ve got an idea why people would pay money to see him. Some people are obsessed with him, those people for instance who post about him all the time on forums but have no interest in posting about the current president :lol:
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Macca1973 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:31 am I think I’ve got an idea why people would pay money to see him. Some people are obsessed with him, those people for instance who post about him all the time on forums but have no interest in posting about the current president :lol:
But the current president is just boring isn't he? Just another US president.

Trump is a different character altogether isn't he? It's a mystery why so many people voted for a man like him, he captivated a section of people during his reign that seemed to ignore many obvious failings, so much so that they were willing to overthrow their own precious democracy for him, and still millions in the US seem to think he can do no wrong and will return.

So yeah, he is still interesting and frightening in equal measure
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I do actually kind of miss the insanity & comedy of Trump.
America & the rest of the world are probably better off without it, though.
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Bend it like Repka wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:43 pmIt's a mystery why so many people voted for a man like him, he captivated a section of people during his reign that seemed to ignore many obvious failings, so much so that they were willing to overthrow their own precious democracy for him, and still millions in the US seem to think he can do no wrong and will return.
If millions of Americans can genuinely believe that they have been anally probed by Earth-visiting, space aliens, it's a little bit easier to understand why so many people would vote for him..
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I still don't understand how no one has shot him in truth, tis America after all.

Saying that, most of the nut jobs probably like him, so there could be the reason...
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Clacton-ammer wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:32 pm I still don't understand how no one has shot him in truth, tis America after all.

Saying that, most of the nut jobs probably like him, so there could be the reason...
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Clacton-ammer wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:32 pm I still don't understand how no one has shot him in truth, tis America after all.

Saying that, most of the nut jobs probably like him, so there could be the reason...
Exactly that, Clacton. The irrational nutters love him. Keep giving him money. STILL wear trump clothes out in public.

There was a rally behind my work last weekend. It was against kids wearing masks in schools but was the usual trump eejits there some wearing hoodies with "Freedom since 1775" emblazoned on them. That didn't go down too well with black employees. :lol:
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Bend it like Repka wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:43 pm But the current president is just boring isn't he? Just another US president.

Trump is a different character altogether isn't he? It's a mystery why so many people voted for a man like him, he captivated a section of people during his reign that seemed to ignore many obvious failings, so much so that they were willing to overthrow their own precious democracy for him, and still millions in the US seem to think he can do no wrong and will return.

So yeah, he is still interesting and frightening in equal measure
Of course you’re right Bendy but you would have thought the incumbent president would get some sort of commentary on here as there are plenty of people who are interested in US politics. Biden’s thread is on page 4, the last post being in August :eh:
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Macca1973 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:19 pm Of course you’re right Bendy but you would have thought the incumbent president would get some sort of commentary on here as there are plenty of people who are interested in US politics. Biden’s thread is on page 4, the last post being in August :eh:
It is weird. He does look tired though, we shouldn't be looking at people in late 70s to be in charge. Give their experience and knowledge yes, lead no.
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Macca1973 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:19 pm Of course you’re right Bendy but you would have thought the incumbent president would get some sort of commentary on here as there are plenty of people who are interested in US politics. Biden’s thread is on page 4, the last post being in August :eh:
The thing is Macca, there was always so much to comment on, about & regarding Trump.
Far less with Biden, it would seem. From here, he doesn't seem to be doing a huge amount that's controversial, wrong or stupid.
Having said that, America could probably do with having someone better as President, than either of them two.
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Samba wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:16 pm The thing is Macca, there was always so much to comment on, about & regarding Trump.
Far less with Biden, it would seem. From here, he doesn't seem to be doing a huge amount that's controversial, wrong or stupid.
Having said that, America could probably do with having someone better as President, than either of them two.
Dunno about that. Afghanistan was a genuine disaster, China and Russia are emboldened and his and the Dems approval ratings are in the toilet!
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