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Denbighammer wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:11 am The fact that it is specifically their job to STOP this kind of thing happening only makes it worse.
Rapists rape. Exploiters exploit. That those who do these things are the lowest of the low is beyond dispute.

I’d actually put those who turned a blind eye to this in that “lowest of the low” category although I dare say they’d be offended to be considered to be on a par with the rapists themselves.

These people knew what was going on. They could have stopped it. But because there was an awkward truth about the race, and let’s face it, even more disproportionately so, the religion of the perpetrators, top cops, high ups in the council, etc consciously decided that rather than stop children being raped en masse, it would be an easier for them and better for their promotion prospects if they allowed it to continue and chose to pretend that they saw the kids as prostitutes.

Like I say, scum.

But Telford wasn’t a one- off. The same thing happened in Rochdale and elsewhere. So this is the behaviour deemed the best course of action by high-ups, full-stop.

When you get to the top of a police service you become a suit, a politician, there to protect the police service rather than the public you should be there to serve. You’re there to advance your own career, after all you’ve done it already to get to heights most of us, never aspire to. Even most of these types join young wanting to help people, wanting to make a difference. And they morph into people who are anything but public servants, along the way. And they do that because that is how they have seen others get to where they want to be so they emulate them. And they become the people who allow this to happen. They might as well be holding the rapists’ coats as children are raped.
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Samba wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:17 am 'Mr Crowther said it would be “wholly wrong, and undoubtedly racist, to equate membership of a particular racial group with propensity to commit CSE”, and that there had been perpetrators from different races, nationalities and backgrounds.

“A high proportion of those cases involved perpetrators that were described by victims/survivors and others as being Asian or, often, Pakistani,” he added.

“The evidence plainly shows that the majority of CSE suspects in Telford were men of southern Asian heritage.”

Ermm, I'm a little confused here...
Both of those statements are true. Being of South Asian heritage doesn't make you likely to carry out CSE. But those particular people who were guilty of carrying out CSE happened to be of South Asian heritage. Their heritage and their crime are not linked apart from circumstantialy.
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Hammer1966 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:44 am Both of those statements are true. Being of South Asian heritage doesn't make you likely to carry out CSE. But those particular people who were guilty of carrying out CSE happened to be of South Asian heritage. Their heritage and their crime are not linked apart from circumstantialy.
That's sort of not the case.
The disgusting morons that facilitated this used the excuse that they didn't want to give ammunition to the far right, the fact that most right thinking people throughout the land would also think that the systematic raping of under age girls was wrong didn't even occur to their addled brains.
Once they were exposed and their snivelling excuses heard what was previously hidden became deflected to become "Asian" grooming gangs. Eventually they became "South Asian" grooming gangs after people from other areas rightly complained about being lumped in with the scum.
They are Asian, they are Muslim, the are South Asian, they are Pakistani, however what differentiates the culprits from innocent Muslim Pakistanis from South Asia is that the majority of the scum come from the Mirpuri district.
So we blanket blame half a continent to avoid upsetting a miniscule part of it? It's as if we've learned nothing from this whole shameful episode.......
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Hammer1966 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:44 am Both of those statements are true. Being of South Asian heritage doesn't make you likely to carry out CSE. But those particular people who were guilty of carrying out CSE happened to be of South Asian heritage. Their heritage and their crime are not linked apart from circumstantialy.
It just seemed a little bit contradictory to me, H.
All of these episodes of large grooming gangs, most if not all, are Pakistani men. Their heritage & their crime do seem to be linked in these cases.
I get what your saying, it would be quite wrong to say that all Pakistani men commit these type of crimes. However as seen, the evidence is clear that in all of these grooming cases in Northern England towns, it was virtually always Pakistani men. And all Muslims.
You've got to think, not very religious Muslims though.
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Samba wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:14 pm It just seemed a little bit contradictory to me, H.
All of these episodes of large grooming gangs, most if not all, are Pakistani men. Their heritage & their crime do seem to be linked in these cases.
I get what your saying, it would be quite wrong to say that all Pakistani men commit these type of crimes. However as seen, the evidence is clear that in all of these grooming cases in Northern England towns, it was virtually always Pakistani men. And all Muslims.
You've got to think, not very religious Muslims though.
From what I have read online via various official reports Samba it's an extremely complex issue and one that does the victims no favours by focusing on the headlines. As far back as 2013 The Home Affairs Committee published a detailed report and part of it focused on the subject of race.

To quote from it:

"There is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation. It is a vile crime which is perpetrated by a small number of individuals, and abhorred by the vast majority, from every ethnic group. However, evidence presented to us suggests that there is a model of localised grooming of Pakistani-heritage men targeting young White girls... The condemnation from those communities of this vile crime should demonstrate that there is no excuse for tip-toeing around this issue.

We caution against focusing just on one particular model of child sexual exploitation. We have heard evidence that models vary within and between different types of child sexual exploitation. For example, the majority of child sexual exploitation conducted online is by White perpetrators. Authorities should not be blinkered by one formula which will blind them to other patterns of abuse taking place. Stereotyping offenders as all coming from a particular background is as likely to perpetuate the problem as is a refusal to acknowledge that a particular group of offenders share a common ethnicity.

Every child, whatever community they come from, must feel able to report abuse. In order to do so, they need a justice system that they can have confidence in and communities to give them absolute support. We are concerned by reports that ethnic minority children are less likely to be identified as victims of child sexual exploitation. Statutory agencies must ensure that they are able to support children of all races and tackle abuse by offenders of all races"


Claims that 'all if not most' and 'virtually all' are of Pakistani heritage might make all of us white, Christians feel like it's someone else's problem but it ignores the fact that demographics play a huge part in this. By that I mean the perpetrators ethnicity reflect their locality - 5 white men in Derby were imprisoned for grooming in 2012. There are other examples. As I've said in another thread on here - the one thing the vast majority these sex offenders have in common is that they are men. Their ethnicity is a label not a cause. Nor is it an excuse not to investigate.

The focus has to be on the victims and how to protect them. Lessons have to be learned about how Police and other agencies failed to work with the local communities to root out these abusers in some specific cases. But to narrow the discussion to just this fails all of the victims of sexual assault.
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Hammer1966 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:52 pm

"There is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation. It is a vile crime which is perpetrated by a small number of individuals, and abhorred by the vast majority, from every ethnic group. However, evidence presented to us suggests that there is a model of localised grooming of Pakistani-heritage men targeting young White girls... The condemnation from those communities of this vile crime should demonstrate that there is no excuse for tip-toeing around this issue.
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Everything after this paragraph is whataboutery.
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Hammer1966 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:52 pm Their ethnicity is a label not a cause.
Whatever it is, imo it is a pertinent part of these cases.
Just as much as when it was white, Catholic priests sexually abusing loads of kids. And sometimes white Church of England priests, doing it.

Nor is it an excuse not to investigate.
Absolutely but unfortunately it seems that is exactly what happened. I'd like to know the actual names of the people that took those decisions so that their heads could roll; as others have said, they were also complicit.
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What happens to the picture when you take the total number of perpetrators and divide it by the population of each different ethnicity into the picture?
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Denbighammer wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:19 am What happens to the picture when you take the total number of perpetrators and divide it by the population of each different ethnicity into the picture?
I found this which might be useful, although 5 years old.

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-k ... -children/

It pretty much says that per capita, Pakistani is disproportionately high when talking about grooming gangs, with around 90% of those on the sex offenders register being white.

That's about right on the latter, given around 90% of the population are white.

Also, from a policing statistics point of view, you can only record what you identify, so if police focus is disproportionate you will see trends appear that may not be an accurate holistic view. I'm not saying that is happening here, but always need to keep in mind when viewing any sort of statistic.

Quite similar to knife crime statistics about a decade or so ago. There were a couple of high profile incidents that led to officers using stop and search more, which identified more people carrying knives which then made the figures allude to some form of epidemic.
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I love reading people tying themselves up in knots to dismiss the race/cultural element in this.

Probably the same people to jump on the BLM bandwagon, interestingly.

It’s not a “complex issue”. Men of a certain background, grouped together and systematically targeted white working class girls to rape. It’s probably because their perceived provocative lifestyles meant the Muslim men saw them as easy targets, deserving, worthless, whatever.

Please stop trying to excuse people who follow a backward cult doing backward things. This is first world Britain in 2022.
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Billydinho wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:35 am I love reading people tying themselves up in knots to dismiss the race/cultural element in this.

Probably the same people to jump on the BLM bandwagon, interestingly.

It’s not a “complex issue”. Men of a certain background, grouped together and systematically targeted white working class girls to rape. It’s probably because their perceived provocative lifestyles meant the Muslim men saw them as easy targets, deserving, worthless, whatever.

Please stop trying to excuse people who follow a backward cult doing backward things. This is first world Britain in 2022.
I think we're reading a different thread. I don't see anyone trying to "dismiss the race element", or "excuse people who follow a backward cult". Quite the opposite, in fact. People here are accepting the race/culture element and are trying to place why it happens. Prevention is better than cure, and all that.

But crack on, enjoy tying yourself in knots to shoehorn in some weird anti-woke polemic.
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People of certain backgrounds are always more likely to be involved in certain activities. Race, religion, background, wealth, upbringing - it will all play a part. It’s called ‘High risk’ for a reason - and it absolutely should be considered when dealing with any crime. Just so long as we don’t make assumptions about anyone just because of their background.
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This could make things interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-65090793
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-65189785

Another awful story to cheer everyone up.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:19 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-65189785

Another awful story to cheer everyone up.
I'd hang the f*cking lot of them.
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22-72 age range. Generations of them. Utterly sick.
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djclipz wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:09 am 22-72 age range. Generations of them. Utterly sick.
Be interesting to hear the back story surrounding this, relationships, how like minded nonces met etc......
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delbert wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:12 am Be interesting to hear the back story surrounding this, relationships, how like minded nonces met etc......
Going on names I'd guess family
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delbert wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:12 am Be interesting to hear the back story surrounding this, relationships, how like minded nonces met etc......
I've always wondered this
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This thread is more depressing than last nights mis match
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