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Going by the names of the accused it sounds a familiar story
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^^ This one cancels out any possible racial/religious connection:
Michael Birkenshaw, 34, from Wakefield served with a postal requisition for rape (x1) and he is due to appear at court at 12pm on 11/12/20.
Apologists will be over moon with Michael's diversity.......
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I can't imagine why the Government would delay publication of this because it isn't in the public interest. :hush:
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Can we just agree they're all c**** and forget the racial/religious element now?
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:02 pm Can we just agree they're all ***** and forget the racial/religious element now?
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:02 pm Can we just agree they're all ***** and forget the racial/religious element now?
Or can we agree they are all ****, but also recognise a racial / religious element exists and act on it?

Or indeed are you suggesting that the authorities / police are racist when picking up these vermin?
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Plashet Grove Pete wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:25 pm Or can we agree they are all ****, but also recognise a racial / religious element exists and act on it?

Or indeed are you suggesting that the authorities / police are racist when picking up these vermin?
We absolutely can as long as innocent Muslims aren't tarred with the same brush as other criminal Muslims. Accepting and recognising a link to 'race and religion' does a disservice to all law-abiding Muslims. Hopefully the police will learn from mistakes they made, but that the general public will accept that race and religion proves nothing and to steer clear of generalisations.
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Plashet Grove Pete wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:25 pm Or can we agree they are all ****, but also recognise a racial / religious element exists and act on it?

Or indeed are you suggesting that the authorities / police are racist when picking up these vermin?
Did you read the article?
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Big George wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:55 pm Did you read the article?
Yep.

Quote: "Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor in the north-west, who brought prosecutions over the Rochdale grooming gangs, welcomed the report. “It confirms that white men remain the most common offenders, which is something rarely mentioned by rightwing commentators,” he said.

“However, it is not shy in reflecting that south Asian and British Pakistani men are disproportionately found in high-profile cases"

At this point in time, I think most men in the UK are white. Hence it's hardly surprising that they are the most common offenders. However this notes that South Asian / Pakistani men are "disproportionately found in high-profile cases". So are you suggesting that cases involving white defendants are not given the same profile?
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Plashet Grove Pete wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:18 pm Yep.

So are you suggesting that cases involving white defendants are not given the same profile?
I've yet to see Tommy and the boys marching against white paedophiles, probably because the EDL/DFLA was stuffed full of them in their own ranks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 31231.html
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In short it basically says we don't want to offend anyone, so we will just blame the white people!!! :lol:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... bfuscation
We absolutely can as long as innocent Muslims aren't tarred with the same brush as other criminal Muslims. Accepting and recognising a link to 'race and religion' does a disservice to all law-abiding Muslims. Hopefully the police will learn from mistakes they made, but that the general public will accept that race and religion proves nothing and to steer clear of generalisations.

What doesn't help is the media (in an attempt to avoid using the M word) clumsily labelling these gangs Asian grooming gangs, which of course pisses off plenty of others, Sikh organisations have been successful in getting the Editors Code of Practice to drop the word Asian in describing these gangs.
The bottom line is a lot of the culprits have things in common, however they're not just Asian, they're not just Muslim and they're not just of Pakistani origin, a great many of them do hail from the Mirpur district of that country though. To avoid causing offence to other Asians, Muslims and Pakistani's perhaps the media should've made more of that instead?
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if you choose to focus on the racial makeup or religion of the perpetrators of a heinous crime, rather than the victims of that heinous crime, we see you for what you are.

if you choose to focus on incidents of abuse perpetrated by one "group", while ignoring or playing down the equal crimes committed by other "groups", we see you for what you are.

Now we know that most sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men, question why your Facebook and Twitter feed is filled with posts about "Muslim grooming gangs" and not "white grooming gangs", and then question who and what these posts are serving.

Clue: It's not the victims, and it's not justice.
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Marlon Martin wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:02 pm if you choose to focus on the racial makeup or religion of the perpetrators of a heinous crime, rather than the victims of that heinous crime, we see you for what you are.

Rotherham Social Services?

if you choose to focus on incidents of abuse perpetrated by one "group", while ignoring or playing down the equal crimes committed by other "groups", we see you for what you are.

BLM?

Now we know that most sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men, question why your Facebook and Twitter feed is filled with posts about "Muslim grooming gangs" and not "white grooming gangs", and then question who and what these posts are serving.

There you have a good point. :thup:

Clue: It's not the victims, and it's not justice.
The reason the focus was (and is) on the racial make up and religion of the perpetrators is because it was that issue that led to the authorities turning a blind eye due in no small part through fears of accusations of racism* if they went after them, which in turn allowed them to continue their vile actions far longer than should have been the case.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... years.html

* A bit like your "we see you for what you are" thinly veiled accusations, who is "we" anyway? :lol:
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delbert wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:09 pm The reason the focus was (and is) on the racial make up and religion of the perpetrators is because it was that issue that led to the authorities turning a blind eye due in no small part through fears of accusations of racism* if they went after them, which in turn allowed them to continue their vile actions far longer than should have been the case.
No, the Rotherham scandal is a reason to focus on the authorities at fault for focusing on the racial or religious make up of the perpetrators, rather than a reason or us to duplicate their error and also focus on the the racial or religious make up of the perpetrators.
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I agree with you there, there's a few people from the council and the plod who should be sharing a cell with their pet rapists. However you can't simply separate one (the authorities) from the other (the perpetrators) just because there's an uncomfortable truth within, that's kinda how this situation came about in the first place. Plus if there is a cultural reason for these sort of crimes then let's face it and deal with it, not hide from it.
A fact is a fact and in an ideal world:

1. Should never have to be covered up through fear.
2. Is never racist.

Where this gets bent out of shape is when people from either side start with their warped bollox..........
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delbert wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:03 am if there is a cultural reason for these sort of crimes then let's face it and deal with it, not hide from it.
So as you do want to focus on religion/culture/background of the perpetrators, what are you findings as to the cultural reasons for these sort of crimes - what is it that makes white men statistically so dangerous to the children of this country, according to your research?
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It's no doubt there's countless times more white pedo's about then all the others put together, and they have been caught being part of a ring/gang, however they don't tend to be overlooked because shitwits shy away from the threat of beng called racist. As for why they do it?
I'd go with unrepressed sexual preference, in the same way as some blokes prefer blondes, BBW's or other blokes etc these blokes prefer kids. Where as the blonde, BBW or other bloke examples are all culturally acceptable to us the kid one isn't, these vile people either do not see that boundary or don 't care, can you cure a sexual preference or can you only convince people to suppress them?
Now supposing we have pedo's who have come to this country from an area where what is pedophilia to us isn't an issue there? That could mean the perpetrators wouldn't even see a boundary let alone care about, if that's the case then surely it would be to everyone's benefit to target that aspect of their culture with some education?
Google "Man Love Thursday" for the sort of cultural shenanigans I'm on about.....
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So you've said that for the majority of perpetrators of this type of crime ("white males") it's a sexual preference, and those white men have a culture in which they "don't see a boundary or don't care", whereas some foreign perpetrators come from areas where they "don't even see a boundary let alone care" - which to me sounds like exactly the same thing. So, given your interest and regular contribution to this topic, what do you think it is that means so many white men "don't see boundaries or don't care", and which aspects of white male culture need to be "targeted for education"?

You then jump back to Muslims for some reason, pointing us to what appears to be the practice of some Muslim men in some parts of Afghanistan having anal sex on a Friday, sometimes with young boys, by powerful men (sound familiar?) - a practice which is strictly illegal there as it is here. It seems the US military deliberately ignored this as not their problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Are you as angry at the US Military for turning a blind eye to child abuse as you are at the authorities in Rotherham for turning a blind eye to child abuse? Are you as angry at the Catholic church for covering up child abuse? Are you as angry at Stephen Yaxley Lennon (AKA Tommy Robinson) for almost causing the collapse of a trial and letting child rapists go free, or when he rushed to the defence of a fellow EDL man who had child abuse images on his computer? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far- ... 6pb87rr2q5? Are you as angry at Jeffrey Epstein and associated friends, and those in the British Establishment who may be currently protecting those friends, as you are for those that perpetrated and covered up the Rotherham crimes?

IMO consistency demonstrates sincerity when it comes to this topic.
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My earlier reply was done on my tablet whilst sitting on the bog, so allow me to expand and reply.

I meant all pedo's (regardless of background) will either not see any boundary in which case they don't think what they're doing is wrong, or they know there's a boundary but still do it anyway, either because they don't care or the urge is too strong (which boundary wise amounts to the same thing).
Through my extensive studies and years of research I've come to the conclusion that the majority of nonces in this country know they are doing wrong, but simply don't care, hence they get banged up in prison when caught. However a small minority simply do not see a boundary and therefore won't even acknowledge they are doing wrong, these are far more dangerous and are probably the ones that end up dribbling their existence away in Rampton or Broadmoor.
Now say we add to the mix people from other cultures who have different values and standards, in this instance towards young under age impressionable girls, by looking into the why we can discover whether they knew were doing wrong or not, so heritage can come into it and therefore shouldn't be overlooked. My own opinion here (albeit through second hand testament) is that in at least one case where the gangs contained people of predominantly Pakistani Murpuri heritage they convinced themselves they were doing no wrong as the victims were worthless to them.
The man love Thursday example was just that, an example of something unsavoury that happens in other cultures, I could equally have used FGM or the Catholic church pedophile infestation.

Strange as it may be my anger is aimed at those that facilitated this abuse more than the perpetrators themselves. Nonces gotta do what nonces gotta do, it's vile, it's unforgivable, but it's not uncommon, being allowed to do it due to the heritage of the perpetrators is.

You are accusing me of being fixated by the heritage of the grooming gang perpetrators in a thread that only exists because of the actions of grooming gangs from that heritage? :lol:

How about I spin the judgemental dildo back towards your puckering anus and ask why you are so fixated by glossing over the background of these gangs when it turns out they ain't white..........?
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Leader of Telford sex gang released from jail after eight years https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rticle-top
Gets 25 years and serves 8,what a joke
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