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Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:42 am Declann Rice isn't playing for those clubs this season so it is irrelevant what they do or don't win this season. It is about what they could win and achieve in the next 10 years
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. The point is there are no guarantees. He may well go on to do well and win the big trophies at those clubs. Just as much as he may well go on to win just win a Carabao cup, like the great Robbie Savage! :D

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Who knows, there could be some European glory this season for the ‘massive’ West Ham United.
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jastons wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:45 am So although you don't recall saying Premier league and champions league, you are referring to them.
I’ll say it slowly for you, as you are clearly struggling to understand, but the point I am making is Man Utd, Chelsea, the Spuds aren’t as likely to be winning the Premier League any more then we are. Nor are there any guarantees they’ll be in the Champions League as we are. If this season is anything to go by, the Spuds will do well to get a Europa place, whereas Liverpool and Chelsea may well have to settle for mid table mediocrity, if they can’t scrape into one of the remaining European spots. Which again, isn’t Champions League football. Liverpool and Chelsea are both only 11 points ahead of us. Albeit, Liverpool have a game in hand.
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:07 am Chelsea and Liverpool are just as close to us in the table right now as they are for 4th spot.
funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:22 am And it’s also a fact.
I'm struggling with the point of this fact though. It seems irrelevant to Chelsea and Liverpool's likelihood of winning a trophy.
The only thing I can deduce from this fact is that West Ham are twice as far away from fourth place as Liverpool and Chelsea are.

By the way, your fact has rounded off some figures which make it slightly more flattering to West Ham. Oh and Liverpool have a game in hand on both West Ham and fourth-place.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea are two points from sixth place. And Liverpool are seven points behind fifth-placed Spurs but with two games in hand on them.
We are 18 points behind sixth place and needing to overcome an 18-goal GD.
We are also one point off the relegation zone. Liverpool and Chelsea are 12 points clear, plus a signifivcant goal difference better off.

That's some spin you put on a cherry-picked fact.
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:56 am I’ll say it slowly for you, as you are clearly struggling to understand, but the point I am making is Man Utd, Chelsea, the Spuds aren’t as likely to be winning the Premier League any more then we are. Nor are there any guarantees they’ll be in the Champions League as we are.
I am not struggling to understand anything.

Let's remove Spurs from the equation because they are Spursy...

There are no guarantees in football, I agree with you on that but if you really don't think that Man Utd and Chelsea are more likely to win the Premier league or qualify for the champions league than West Ham then I can only assume you don't watch much football?
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Crossd_Hammrs wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:57 amBoth Liverpool and Chelsea are two points from sixth place. And Liverpool are seven points behind fifth-placed Spurs but with two games in hand on them.
That’s all rather wonderful, but that’s not ‘Champions League’ football, is it?

So they basically could achieve exactly what we could achieve, IF we won the Europa Conference this season? A Europa League place. Only we’ll have a trophy to our name.

Liverpool and Chelsea are currently 11 points behind 3rd place Newcastle and 4th place Man Utd, with Liverpool of course having a game in hand. They’ve got some work to do if they want Champions League football next season. Unless of course they can somehow win the competition itself.
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jastons wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:05 am I am not struggling to understand anything.

Let's remove Spurs from the equation because they are Spursy...

There are no guarantees in football, I agree with you on that but if you really don't think that Man Utd and Chelsea are more likely to win the Premier league or qualify for the champions league than West Ham then I can only assume you don't watch much football?
You think Man Utd and Chelsea will be competing with Man City for the Premier League title any time soon?

Chelsea don’t look likely to have Champions League football next season, let alone a league title.
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:56 am I’ll say it slowly for you, as you are clearly struggling to understand, but the point I am making is Man Utd, Chelsea, the Spuds aren’t as likely to be winning the Premier League any more then we are. Nor are there any guarantees they’ll be in the Champions League as we are. If this season is anything to go by, the Spuds will do well to get a Europa place, whereas Liverpool and Chelsea may well have to settle for mid table mediocrity, if they can’t scrape into one of the remaining European spots. Which again, isn’t Champions League football. Liverpool and Chelsea are both only 11 points ahead of us. Albeit, Liverpool have a game in hand.
Man U, Cheksea and iverpool are much much much more likely to be winning the league in the next five years than we are.
They are also much much more more likely to be in the Champions League regularly in next five years

I am not really sure how you can possibly refute that!
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Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:18 am Man U, Cheksea and iverpool are much much much more likely to be winning the league in the next five years than we are.
They are also much much more more likely to be in the Champions League regularly in next five years

I am not really sure how you can possibly refute that!
We will see won’t we. :newthumb:

If you include next season as the next ‘five years’, you have already lost one of your five years. As with the points the Gooners and Man City have this season, it’s highly unlikely Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool will be in the Champions League next season. :)
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:14 am You think Man Utd and Chelsea will be competing with Man City for the Premier League title any time soon?

Chelsea don’t look likely to have Champions League football next season, let alone a league title.
Chelsea came 10th in 2016 and won the league in 2017 and have won champions league since then

One blip season is pretty irrelevant to what they might do in next decade

Liverpool were 8th in 2016 qnd have cleaned up since then

Obviously no one knows for sure who will win what in next five years but the chances of success of those clubs is a stratosphere above our chances
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:09 am That’s all rather wonderful, but that’s not ‘Champions League’ football, is it?

So they basically could achieve exactly what we could achieve, IF we won the Europa Conference this season? A Europa League place. Only we’ll have a trophy to our name.

Liverpool and Chelsea are currently 11 points behind 3rd place Newcastle and 4th place Man Utd, with Liverpool of course having a game in hand. They’ve got some work to do if they want Champions League football next season. Unless of course they can somehow win the competition itself.
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That made me chuckle.
I will say though that players are sold a vision and it might not be as short term as next season.
Liverpool and Chelsea have enough recent success to back up their intentions.
We categorically do not.

When Leicester won the league and got CL football it did not make the best available to them. In fact they lost 2 huge players.
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:14 am You think Man Utd and Chelsea will be competing with Man City for the Premier League title any time soon?

Chelsea don’t look likely to have Champions League football next season, let alone a league title.
Now you are not understanding your own point...

Man Utd and Chelsea are both far more likely to than West Ham!
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Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:22 am Chelsea came 10th in 2016 and won the league in 2017 and have won champions league since then.
They are now 10th in the table.
Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:22 am Liverpool were 8th in 2016 qnd have cleaned up since then
And are now 9th in the table.
Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:22 am Obviously no one knows for sure who will win what in next five years but the chances of success of those clubs is a stratosphere above our chances
Agreed with regards to your first point.
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El brooko79 wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:28 am I will say though that players are sold a vision and it might not be as short term as next season.
Liverpool and Chelsea have enough recent success to back up their intentions.
We categorically do not.

When Leicester won the league and got CL football it did not make the best available to them. In fact they lost 2 huge players.
Yep, that is very true. And I am not suggesting it can’t become a reality. Just look at Arsenal’s progress this season. The point is it’s not a given. There are no guarantees.
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Liverpool
Chelsea

They have an infrastructure in place that allows you to compete, it's been built upon the foundations of repeated success, whereas West Ham do not.

To suggest that such clubs have as much chance at competing for the major honours this season as we do, is possibly correct when taking the context of this league season in isolation, but to not take in to consideration their respective recent league finishes and trophy wins, is somewhat shortsighted.
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Why the f*** would Rice want to join a sideways club in Arsenal??

We finished higher than them less than 2 years ago, same size stadium, ranked just below them in the deloitte financial table, they have a c*** of a manager and have won f*** all recently like us!!

Real Madrid or Bayern would be ideal for 120 million

If Man Utd, Man City or Liverpool want to pay 120 million then they can have him, just not to a London Club please
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S-H wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:50 am Liverpool
Chelsea

They have an infrastructure in place that allows you to compete, it's been built upon the foundations of repeated success, whereas West Ham do not.

To suggest that such clubs have as much chance at competing for the major honours this season as we do, is possibly correct when taking the context of this league season in isolation, but to not take in to consideration their respective recent league finishes and trophy wins, is somewhat shortsighted.
This season is irrelevant anyway
Rice, and any other player, will be looking at tge opportunities over next 5-10 years
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S-H wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:50 am Liverpool
Chelsea

To suggest that such clubs have as much chance at competing for the major honours this season as we do, is possibly correct when taking the context of this league season in isolation, but to not take in to consideration their respective recent league finishes and trophy wins, is somewhat shortsighted.
Let's not forget that both of those clubs are still in this seasons champions league which is yet another reason why they are both far more likely to qualify for the CL next season than West Ham
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funky chicken wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:14 am You think Man Utd and Chelsea will be competing with Man City for the Premier League title any time soon?
Man United, yes.

Chelsea, probably not.

A lot will depend on how they both upgrade their midfields. :shocker:
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Can very much get what Funky is getting at here...at the moment Dec is at a Club he loves,earning potentially as good money as he will
get anywhere...He is adored by us and our kids...that's a sh**load to give up to go to a Maybe/Maybe not Club, to have a few games in the
CL....and a Maybe/Maybe not Cup final playing his footie elsewhere...
Chances are higher elsewhere for a little sucess at this moment in time(who knows the future),granted, a given.. NO

Captain,Playing,Loved,at a Club you love,with Big Potential still,Playing in Europe with 60,000 cheering you on..or
a Bench sitter,which he will be at a Maybe/Maybe not club..

Regular CL footie in England,in his Playing Career....Squad Player at Man City...That's it, his Only Choice.
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He won't be a bench sitter.
And if he leaves for Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Man City or Liverpool it is as close to a certainty you can get in football that he will play at least some seasons in the Champions League and win a couple of trophies. He would be very very unlucky not to.

Anyway if he goes somewhere and they end up doing **** for an extended period (very unlikely) he will just end signing for someone else
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