Yeah I was going to say, Soucek/Rice shouldn't be set in stone, it's good for when we are playing deep and mostly defending, but against a lot of sides that's just making your midfield slow and uncreative.Bubbles Fortuna wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:15 pm Depends who we're playing. We don't need the Rice and Soucek pivot against half the teams in the league.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Fornals is a very strange one really...
Watching him play is like a mixed bag,
- Scores very lucky goal through deflections (either hitting someone for a goal or getting hit for a goal) and missed the obvious one when should have scored in 1 on 1 situations and frustrate the hell out of people when he misses that
- position is AM but plays like a DM at times with all the tracking back and hustling. Sometime running around like headless chicken
- he will produce very good counter-attack sequence with his passing at times but other cases will get too defensive and lacking the link/gap between midfield and attack which causes slow transition from defence to attack at times
- Isn't the best player on team but also isn't the worst on the team
I will be gutted to see him go not because of his talent and skill but because of his willingness to take up any kind of task Moyes asked him to do....
I would say he is the real backup/utility player for this team in the midfield. Last time its was Antonio before he got converted to striker...
Watching him play is like a mixed bag,
- Scores very lucky goal through deflections (either hitting someone for a goal or getting hit for a goal) and missed the obvious one when should have scored in 1 on 1 situations and frustrate the hell out of people when he misses that
- position is AM but plays like a DM at times with all the tracking back and hustling. Sometime running around like headless chicken
- he will produce very good counter-attack sequence with his passing at times but other cases will get too defensive and lacking the link/gap between midfield and attack which causes slow transition from defence to attack at times
- Isn't the best player on team but also isn't the worst on the team
I will be gutted to see him go not because of his talent and skill but because of his willingness to take up any kind of task Moyes asked him to do....
I would say he is the real backup/utility player for this team in the midfield. Last time its was Antonio before he got converted to striker...
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Pablo Fornals:
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
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Re: Pablo Fornals
This.. in a nutshell for me.Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:53 pm Pablo Fornals:
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
As you say, always tries to play the role given to him (which varies from match to match it seems). Never complains. Some of his passing/movement is, on occasion imo, ahead of some of his teammates. And his manner, his exuberance on its own is worth a few points on its own in player ratings.
I have a sneaking feeling that if allowed, he’ll be on a similar wavelength to Paqueta (who I must admit, hadn’t heard of until recently). Far more on his wavelength than Rice. I know I’m going to get panned by some on here for even suggesting it but it’s not entirely unrealistic to think that it could be Dec who is fighting for a starting place in a few months. Maybe Moyes already has one eye on Rice going. It would be sensible to planning for that this season, just in case.
Whatever happens, I’d be overchuffed if Pablo spent his entire playing career with us.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
I cant see rice being dropped as hes our best player. second half proved that.
fornals is a good player and we all love his hard work and occasional goal.
glad he is still with us.
rice soucek fornals paqueta - 3 from 4 depending on opposition, form etc.
fornals is a good player and we all love his hard work and occasional goal.
glad he is still with us.
rice soucek fornals paqueta - 3 from 4 depending on opposition, form etc.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Wonderful player, great character and significantly, Moyes totally trusts him.Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:53 pm Pablo Fornals:
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
The sheer joy you see from him when we score shows what it all means to him
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Re: Pablo Fornals
He busts a gut every game and we will see him at his best now that he has better players around him.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Also if we are to transition with paqueta and Scamacca to possession football fornals is going to have to calm it down with the constant first time passes.
They work well when constantly counter attacking but I feel we need to keep the ball a lot better and fornals can do that…
They work well when constantly counter attacking but I feel we need to keep the ball a lot better and fornals can do that…
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Having watched a lot of him live in a previous life - I feel this is a result of circumstance rather than his natural game. He's sublime with the ball at his feet & will thrive with better players around him.Romfordboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:08 am Also if we are to transition with paqueta and Scamacca to possession football fornals is going to have to calm it down with the constant first time passes.
They work well when constantly counter attacking but I feel we need to keep the ball a lot better and fornals can do that…
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Re: Pablo Fornals
For me, he's similar to Bowen, in that he could be enquired after by teams with more clout than us, but he would be viewed as a squad option, as opposed to a 'more often than not' starter.
However, he's also similar to Johnson, in that it may be a use to the team but a hindrance to him, as a player, that he can be put to use in more than one position.
Johnson can play at both FB position and as a right-sided CB.
Pablo can play LWB (as much as he probably wouldn't choose to), in midfield in a 4-3-3 and at either left side or central in a 4-2-3-1.
Am personally very pleased that he has stayed. Expect him to make every single matchday 20, unless injured or suspended.
However, he's also similar to Johnson, in that it may be a use to the team but a hindrance to him, as a player, that he can be put to use in more than one position.
Johnson can play at both FB position and as a right-sided CB.
Pablo can play LWB (as much as he probably wouldn't choose to), in midfield in a 4-3-3 and at either left side or central in a 4-2-3-1.
Am personally very pleased that he has stayed. Expect him to make every single matchday 20, unless injured or suspended.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Make or break season for me.
Very likeable character, tracks back and works hard
Ability wise is very hit or miss at the moment after having a much more consistent start to last season.
Personally don't favour him on the left as isn't direct enough so see him as a AM which is also where I think Paqueta will play.
Although agree with be above that there should be some games where he could play alongside Rice and Paqueta to give Soucek a break as we shouldn't be as deep.
Very likeable character, tracks back and works hard
Ability wise is very hit or miss at the moment after having a much more consistent start to last season.
Personally don't favour him on the left as isn't direct enough so see him as a AM which is also where I think Paqueta will play.
Although agree with be above that there should be some games where he could play alongside Rice and Paqueta to give Soucek a break as we shouldn't be as deep.
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Under-rated by some.
Over-rated by some.
He's a decent but flawed attacking midfielder with an admirable work ethic.
Over-rated by some.
He's a decent but flawed attacking midfielder with an admirable work ethic.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:14 pm Under-rated by some.
Over-rated by some.
He's a decent but flawed attacking midfielder with an admirable work ethic.
that's not ALL that we fans ask, but that's the MINIMUM that we ask...
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Re: Pablo Fornals
Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:53 pm Pablo Fornals:
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
Best post I've read on here for a while. Absolutely spot on.
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Cockneyboy311 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:38 pm Pablo Fornals:
- Says in another life, he would have been born as a Cockney.
- Wants to be a 'cockney boy, not a superstar'
- Very talented, possibly underrated in this aspect due to his workrate and selflessness elsewhere
- Works his nuts off
- Plays positions and roles that damage his standing with the Spain team, but help the West Ham manager
- West Ham is massive, eberywhere we go
- Hits first time through balls that nobody else in our entire team does
- These through balls lead to monumental goals away in Europe and in games like Man City at home
- Impacts the game in ways that don't show on the stat sheet
- Such as taking the shot that leads to Yarmo getting a tap-in in another monumental European game
- Will be even better with better players around him
- Massive character in the dressing room and for team spirit
- Currently in the process of developing his baby son, Martin Fornals, to be a Hammer in 2040
100%.
Thankfully Moyes knows what he brings to this side.
Apart from Rice he is my favourite player and has a great relationship / understanding with Bowen.
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