The Johnson Government 2019-2022

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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:53 am Rich v poor, bosses v workers, haves v have nots, toffs v working class. That sort of thing?
Not really, more 'them' and 'us'. [ More dog whistle, less open to debate.]
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Samba wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:21 pm Yes, but the Tories do it so much more extreme & successfully than Labour..
I'd argue the opposite mate. Labour are the party whoring up votes of the minority, minorities only exist because they've been labelled as such. Divide, label, compartmentalise and promote victimology before targeting them is their campaign strategy, then attack anyone who dares to have contary views.
Rich v poor is just an extension of all the other division they've created, their malevolent campaign needs enemies........
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'Rich vs. Poor' is only an artificial construct if you aren't poor.(or are we living in some utopian meritocracy?)
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delbert wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:59 am Divide, label, compartmentalise and promote victimology before targeting them is their campaign strategy, then attack anyone who dares to have contary views.
... is a perfect description of the pretty much the only tool the Tories have left in order to keep people onside - their 'war on woke'. It's been a successful tactic so when they can't be bothered to govern, have no ideas to implement of any use, so you can see why they wheel it out. It helped them win their Brexit war and keep those fires stoked - That Gina Davis eh? This enemy-of-the-people judges. So they wheel out the same tactic that you've perfectly described - their making out as they did during Brexit that they're on your side and manning the barricades with us against the 'establishment'. When they have been the government, the establishment for 12 long years, that will sadly become 14, or maybe even more, if they don't implode/ fragment before then, which I wouldn't rule out.

When you look through the pages on here the 'victimology' is almost universally displayed by those not on my side of the fence. Those who for example feel they have been personally called thick by people who they have never even met and will never even know. That's not a coincidence. That sense of being a victim has been carefully nurtured by those who have spent decades shoring up and improving their and their ilk's own positions at the expense of Pinky's bloke in Grimsby and the rest.

You have a point in some of what you say about Labour, but no way are they the masters of this particular art.

Anyway, 2% of those voting for Truss freely admit that their main reason is that she is white and British. At least they're honest. I wonder what the real figure is.

Amongst the Tory membership Truss leads amongst those over 60 by 40% whilst for the half a dozen or so members under 50 Sunak leads by 8%. Quite a contrast - we're going to get lumbered with a prime minister by an electorate that is literally dying out. Given the choice, their membership would prefer Johnson to stay on rather than Sunak become by a margin of 68% to 19%, and Johnson to be PM over Truss by a margin of 63% to 22%. None of this bodes well for them.
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So on one hand shapps is having a go at striking workings for not doing overtime

But back in June said those who strike shouldn't be allowed to do overtime

I mean seriously this government.. do they have a brain cell between them?
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I wonder if an official letter like that offers the same protections as when he's speaking in parliament? Doesn't feel the smartest thing to do to essentially call political donations bribes.
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mumbles87 wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:36 pm Image
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So on one hand shapps is having a go at striking workings for not doing overtime

But back in June said those who strike shouldn't be allowed to do overtime

I mean seriously this government.. do they have a brain cell between them?
Yes they do but expect the public not to ,unfortunately most the Daily Heil supporting Tory’s will agree with him .
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I've note really been paying attention to the **** Sandwich vs. Turdburger race that is the Tory leadership contest but the below triggered an interesting thought. Would be interesting to hear from those that have been listening how much time has been dedicated to complaining about all things "woke" vs. how they plan to ensure schools and hospitals can cope with insane costs of energy.

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Cut out all the woke rubbish the Marxist Elite are brainwashing our kids with and they will only need to go to school three days a week anyway.
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simonpaulthomas wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:52 pm Cut out all the woke rubbish the Marxist Elite are brainwashing our kids with and they will only need to go to school three days a week anyway.
Exactly this, apart from the first sentence, which is b*llocks.
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That was sarcasm by the way. Roleplaying on the internet is a dangerous game! 👀
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No 10 admits Johnson will only be contacted if urgent while on holiday
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prophet:marginal wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:52 pm No 10 admits Johnson will only be contacted if urgent while on holiday
"But the deputy prime minister [Dominic Raab] is able to be deputised for meetings should they come up but as far as I'm aware there are no such meetings currently scheduled."

Because it's not like we have a cost of living crisis going on or anything is it?
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:48 pm I've note really been paying attention to the **** Sandwich vs. Turdburger race that is the Tory leadership contest but the below triggered an interesting thought. Would be interesting to hear from those that have been listening how much time has been dedicated to complaining about all things "woke" vs. how they plan to ensure schools and hospitals can cope with insane costs of energy.

But let's not worry about their parents extra cost,when they have to put the heating on,while they are at home firing up their laptops and X Boxes,aye?
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Tenbury wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:11 am 'Rich vs. Poor' is only an artificial construct if you aren't poor.(or are we living in some utopian meritocracy?)
Rich and poor is the reality, substituting "versus" for "and" is an artificial concept some dearly want to be real.........
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Who's arguing with that reality? Some are asking the question... Why?
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Tenbury wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:42 am Who's arguing with that reality? Some are asking the question... Why?
Why there are rich and poor?
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Well, quite, Why are there rich and poor? Is it because a lot of people are too feckless and generally bone idle to go out make a pile of cash?
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Tenbury wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:28 am Well, quite, Why are there rich and poor? Is it because a lot of people are too feckless and generally bone idle to go out make a pile of cash?
I'd say it's because everyone is different. We all have different priorities and I guess different assessments of what rich is.

Circumstances play a part, personality plays a part, the skills society values at a given time plays a part. Attitudes, luck, what you are willing to do all play a part.

Money is just an easy means of trading one thing for another. What you have to trade impacts what you can trade for.

Imo you could take all the money in the country, share it out equally and within a decade you would have rich and poor. You can adopt any other economic/political system and you end up with haves and have nots.
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There's a lot of that I agree with, but I'd suggest you add privilege as an additional variable. I've no issue with a meritocracy,
we just don't have one.
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