The Johnson Government 2019-2022

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

It will play well with people who aren't going to vote Tory, those that are will blame parliament for not agreeing a deal. Its not going to change many minds I don't imagine

[Puff Daddy]

C'mon Nige. Open your gob mate.

[fmgod]

So some of the same people in politics who saying ISIS , murderer and god know what else Shamima Begum was only 16, only a child, she didn't know what she was doing......now what to give the same 16 year olds the vote......

[Junco Partner]

How dare they deny the manifest 'Will of the People' as expressed at the ballot box in 2017 and call for this general election now?

We, 'The People' knew we were voting for a Parliament fixed until 2022. We voted for a hung parliament, we knew we didn't trust either of the big parties enough to give them absolute power.

32 million of us voted and gave our instructions to parliament, now the third Tory PM from 2015 finds himself unhappy with the results of this democratic exercise and commands us to elect a parliament more to his taste, likely thinking 'they didn't know what we were voting for'.

Democracy denied. Crush the Saboteurs etc etc.

Funny how some important votes can be done again and again yet some are immutable, unchangeable and irreversible

[bubbles1966]

For anyone interested in having a punt on constituencies, it's perhaps worth looking at where the defectors, deserters and deselected sit first to work out where seats might change hands.

There's a few fair 'Independents/change UK' whose arses will definitely be grass.

[westham,eggyandchips]

Absolutely nothing about policy will be in voters decision making. It'll be based on personality and who likes the respected leaders the most.

God help us all!

FWIW, I'll be going for the team in blue.

[Puff Daddy]

For anyone interested in having a punt on constituencies, it's perhaps worth looking at where the defectors, deserters and deselected sit first to work out where seats might change hands.

There's a few fair 'Independents/change UK' whose arses will definitely be grass.

and quite a few Brexit deniers who defied the will of their constituents. They are gonna be toast too. Watch out for Amber Rudd and Philip Hammond in particular to wave bye bye to Westminster and look out for the result from Thurrock, which returned a Tory MP, who sits on a majority of just 2,000, but the seat voted overwhelming voted for Brexit, with 72% of the overall vote. Watch this one return a Brexit MP

[Coops]

So some of the same people in politics who saying ISIS , murderer and god know what else Shamima Begum was only 16, only a child, she didn't know what she was doing......now what to give the same 16 year olds the vote......

While some of those who say she was old enough to know exactly what she was doing don't want 16 year olds to have the vote.
Flip flopping isn't left or right, it is universal.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

December 9th Labour amendment rejected, full steam ahead for the 12th.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

So we skipped Halloween to get a new PM on Friday the 13th

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

It will play well with people who aren't going to vote Tory, those that are will blame parliament for not agreeing a deal. Its not going to change many minds I don't imagine

Turnout for this is potentially going to be hilariously low. I reckon focusing on getting everybody out is going to be a better tactic for all of the big 3 parties than trying to sway huge numbers of opinions.

[bubbles1966]

438-20 for an election.

127 Labour voted for it.

Plaid, Lib Dems, CUK, SNP, Green all abstain or vote against.

[Junco Partner]

Turnout for this is potentially going to be hilariously low. I reckon focusing on getting everybody out is going to be a better tactic for all of the big 3 parties than trying to sway huge numbers of opinions.

One of those three parties voters are mainly elderly, some infirm. Might be an issue getting them out in the sleet and snow.

[jastons]

Junco, read up about the fixed term parliament act

[Junco Partner]

Why?

It's just been sidestepped.

[jastons]

Not sidestepped, amended.

There is a constitutional principle in the UK that Parliament cannot bind its successors, therefore it is possible to circumvent the effects of the Act with new legislation. Facing the prospect of losing the vote on triggering an election (see #Third motion), on 27 October 2019 Prime Minister Johnson revealed a "Plan B" to trigger an election. Instead of calling an election per the Act's provision “That there shall be an early parliamentary general election”, which requires a two-thirds majority, he would introduce a new bill to stipulate that the next election should take place in December 2019, which only requires a simple majority, but would have to be passed by the Commons and Lords.[49] [50] The bill passed the Commons stages on 29 October 2019. This "Plan B" comes the day after the Liberal Democrats with the support of the SNP had proposed a similar bill that would achieved the same effect by making an amendment the Fixed Term Parliament Act

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

That seems to back up Juncs.

Opposition parties wanted to amend the FTPA, Tories introduced a completely new (very short) bill.

[jastons]

The ammendment was passed and all above board. The result of the 2017 election was put in to practice. That's the difference with the result of the 2016 EU referendum.

[Bend it like Repka]

I think Labour have cocked this up on so many levels.

1) Obviously having the wrong leader. Huge downer on many in the electorate.
2) Blocking Boris deal last Saturday. I'd say they would have more chance of fighting over domestic issues than a Brexit election. Labour's Brexit policy is a mess and they will get hammered for it.
3) By not resolving Brexit they are allowing Libs to steal a lot of voters from them as they are seen as the Remain party.

The only way the Tories can lose this is if too many vote for Farage and split the vote in marginal seats, like the recent by election.

[last.caress]

Pfft. Election shmelection. My constituency is Conservative by an 11,500 majority (almost 27,000 blue votes in 2017, more than half the total votes). Even if BXP eat into some of that, it won't split the Brexit vote enough to shift our tory MP and let the Labour candidate in. And the Lib Dems and Greens are roughly on par here with that silly b*llocks who runs for parliament with a bucket on his head. I might as well fold my ballot paper into an origami hat, spunk into it, and stick that in the ballot box for all the good it's going to do.

I think Labour have cocked this up on so many levels.

It looks like so many levels, but it really amounts to just one level. One big ****ing level.

1) Obviously having the wrong leader.

THAT level.