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Re: 2019 General Election

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last.caress wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:56 pm Pfft. Election shmelection. My constituency is Conservative by an 11,500 majority (almost 27,000 blue votes in 2017, more than half the total votes). Even if BXP eat into some of that, it won't split the Brexit vote enough to shift our tory MP and let the Labour candidate in. And the Lib Dems and Greens are roughly on par here with that silly b*llocks who runs for parliament with a bucket on his head. I might as well fold my ballot paper into an origami hat, spunk into it, and stick that in the ballot box for all the good it's going to do.

Exactly the same for me, lc.
If ever there was a one policy GE, it's this one.
Brexit will live or die by its outcome. Or linger on, interminably..
Sadly, I will not be taking part. When I say, not taking part, I only mean in the sense that my MP achieved a majority of nearly 40,000 (70%) in 2017 so if I vote for him or not, I will not be affecting the outcome of the GE in any way, whatsoever. I can't even vote tactically, if I wanted to. And therefore, I also can't have any say on what now happens, to Brexit.
It's so great to have a say..good old FPTP...
The only places worth voting in are the marginal seats.
The utter irony; it's very probable that far fewer than 17.4m people will 1) decide the GE & 2) decide what happens to Brexit.
Apparently, THAT'S democracy.
Now, where's my postal vote to spunk into..
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Will Diane Abbot be well enough to campaign this time?
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Norman Lamb has a majority of 3512 in my constituency. He has been our MP for a long while now, and I don't envisage that changing this time. Labour have no chance here, and the only party that can get near to winning are the Conservatives.

I shall be voting Lib Dem purely to keep the Tories away from the seat.
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jastons wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:34 pm The ammendment was passed and all above board. The result of the 2017 election was put in to practice. That's the difference with the result of the 2016 EU referendum.
It’s was new legislation to sidestep the FTPA because Johnson failed to get the 2/3 majority to agree. So a one line bill was created to enact an election on a simple majority.

Interesting precedent.

Like your quote stated, no parliament can bind another. A One line bill saying the 2016 referendum was so flawed as to be unenforceable and now void?

With a constitution not worth the paper it’s written on you can just make it up as you go along.
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Well this GE will sort everything out won't it...

I worked out a few weeks back who I have voted for since 18, pretty even between blue & red, think Blue wins by one.

I said I could never vote for Boris, I certainly could never vote for JC, I am more aligned to lib dems as I get older, excluding their stance on Brexit.

So have no idea right now!

Voting age should be 18 for me, I use to coach U16/U18's football, they done well to remember their boots half the time..
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Whereas OAPs that don't know what planet they're on........?
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Does anyone else find Jo Swinson as grating and irritating when she speaks as I do ? She’s like an over eager head of a student union. I reckon even a lot of Remain voters won’t vote for her ’Revoke article 50’ stance as it is too anti-democratic and an insult to those who voted Leave.

I voted LibDem in the last election as a protest against John Cryer my local Labour MP who voted Leave in a big Remain seat. He increased his majority to over 20,000 as a result :D With him sending constituents a letter recently saying he ‘reluctantly’ now backs a confirmatory referendum and with the naked opportunism of Swinson that she’s shown since she became leader, I feel I can now return to the Labour fold where I’ve always voted since 1983.
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last.caress wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:56 pm I might as well fold my ballot paper into an origami hat, spunk into it, and stick that in the ballot box for all the good it's going to do.




News Just In -

Stephen Metcalfe , MP for Pitsea , Essex has just lost LC's deposit .
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Bend it like Repka wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:45 pm I think Labour have cocked this up on so many levels.

1) Obviously having the wrong leader. Huge downer on many in the electorate.
2) Blocking Boris deal last Saturday. I'd say they would have more chance of fighting over domestic issues than a Brexit election. Labour's Brexit policy is a mess and they will get hammered for it.
3) By not resolving Brexit they are allowing Libs to steal a lot of voters from them as they are seen as the Remain party.

The only way the Tories can lose this is if too many vote for Farage and split the vote in marginal seats, like the recent by election.
I'm with you - I would love to be proved wrong, but I think this is a catastrophic misjudgement by the non-Tory parties.

1. Even if there isn't much change in the overall makeup of parliament, it allows Johnson to shift the tory part to the right by jettisoning all the MPs who were previously challenging his line. That in itself is probably enough to unblock parliament in his favour
2. Corbyn is desperately polarising - darling figurehead for Momentum, incompetent stooge to to most others
3. Liberals all over th ****ing place ... they want a referendum, they want to revoke, they want an election. Also have a very unsympathetic/annoying leader
4. Labour deperarately trying to both sit on the fence on Brexit to avoid alienating Labour-Leave voters, while simultaneously trying to set fire to the fence to campaign for both Brexit with terms and against Brexit.
5. SNP will probably sweep Scotland, so looks good for them, but they probably get a very unsympathetic parliament.

Wild card in all this is whether Farage's party-of-the-week manage to get any seats in a FPTP election, and if so who they gain them from. It could easily be from Labour in Leave seats.

Unless there's massive and coordinated (and for once, effective) tactical voting, I think there's going to be an increased Tory share in parliament.

Even if there's some miracle and the shameless liar is removed, the prospect of a Back to the Future labour government wanting to re-run the 70s, is not wildly appealing either
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last.caress wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:56 pm Pfft. Election shmelection. My constituency is Conservative by an 11,500 majority (almost 27,000 blue votes in 2017, more than half the total votes). Even if BXP eat into some of that, it won't split the Brexit vote enough to shift our tory MP and let the Labour candidate in. And the Lib Dems and Greens are roughly on par here with that silly b*llocks who runs for parliament with a bucket on his head. I might as well fold my ballot paper into an origami hat, spunk into it, and stick that in the ballot box for all the good it's going to do.
Pfft, the Tories had a 17,723 majority from a turnout of near 70% in 2017 in Hornchurch & Upminster.

They could put Rose West up front with a blue rosette and a special offer of discounted patio's for all voters and they'd still get in.
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monkeyhanger wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 am Does anyone else find Jo Swinson as grating and irritating when she speaks as I do ? She’s like an over eager head of a student union. I reckon even a lot of Remain voters won’t vote for her ’Revoke article 50’ stance as it is too anti-democratic and an insult to those who voted Leave.
The Lib Dems under Jo Swinson are Tory Remain. There's not a lot else different between them and how the Tories would be under May or Cameron from what I can see. She certainly doesn't seem to be much of a "liberal" in the traditional sense, and she definitely is in no way socialist or left-of-centre.

But most, I think it' the student lecturer style you've described. Well, that and the carrot cruncher accent.
monkeyhanger wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 amI voted LibDem in the last election as a protest against John Cryer my local Labour MP who voted Leave in a big Remain seat. He increased his majority to over 20,000 as a result :D With him sending constituents a letter recently saying he ‘reluctantly’ now backs a confirmatory referendum and with the naked opportunism of Swinson that she’s shown since she became leader, I feel I can now return to the Labour fold where I’ve always voted since 1983.
He was MP for Hornchurch from 1997. He always seemed one of the more decent ones to me.
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Junco Partner wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 am It’s was new legislation to sidestep the FTPA because Johnson failed to get the 2/3 majority to agree. So a one line bill was created to enact an election on a simple majority.

Interesting precedent.

Like your quote stated, no parliament can bind another. A One line bill saying the 2016 referendum was so flawed as to be unenforceable and now void?

With a constitution not worth the paper it’s written on you can just make it up as you go along.
It was always a stupid act, but at least this way with a new bill being presented, parliament does not simply dissolve as it would have, and Johnson now has to deal with possible amendments coming back from the Lords re voters ages and whether EU citizens can vote.
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Puff Daddy wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:48 pm and quite a few Brexit deniers who defied the will of their constituents. They are gonna be toast too. Watch out for Amber Rudd and Philip Hammond in particular to wave bye bye to Westminster and look out for the result from Thurrock, which returned a Tory MP, who sits on a majority of just 2,000, but the seat voted overwhelming voted for Brexit, with 72% of the overall vote. Watch this one return a Brexit MP
Labour are more likely to win Thurrock as the vote will get split. However it is where 8 times failed parliamemtary candidate Farage is standing, who has lost a lot of support over his Brexit stance the last few weeks and being against the deal

The only other winable seat for the Brexit party is Claton but they won't win that
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Consider my ballot spoiled.

f*** them all.
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simon hammer wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 am Norman Lamb has a majority of 3512 in my constituency. He has been our MP for a long while now, and I don't envisage that changing this time. Labour have no chance here, and the only party that can get near to winning are the Conservatives.

I shall be voting Lib Dem purely to keep the Tories away from the seat.
Didn’t Lamb announce he was standing down at the next GE? I’m sure he did back in the summer (unless I’m imagining it.)

You must be just up the road from be btw. :)
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The majority in Thurrock is 345, but UKIP got a lot of votes in 2017. I'd make that a key swing seat and target for Labour, the question really is whose vote is Farage going to hoover up more, Labour or Conservative?
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Junco Partner wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 am It’s was new legislation to sidestep the FTPA because Johnson failed to get the 2/3 majority to agree. So a one line bill was created to enact an election on a simple majority.

Interesting precedent.

Like your quote stated, no parliament can bind another. A One line bill saying the 2016 referendum was so flawed as to be unenforceable and now void?

With a constitution not worth the paper it’s written on you can just make it up as you go along.
What do you think legislating means? Its all making it up as they go along, if it passes parliament its law. All the cooper benn letwin stuff was making it up as they went along, sidestepping and finding loopholes.
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fmgod wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:53 pm So some of the same people in politics who saying ISIS , murderer and god know what else Shamima Begum was only 16, only a child, she didn't know what she was doing......now what to give the same 16 year olds the vote......
She was 15 when she left the UK. The radicalisation process could well have started when she was 14 or younger.
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It took a recount in her seat last time.

She had no chance as an independant.
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