The Johnson Government 2019-2022

[bonzosbeard]

He's going to be mad when he finds out that the rules were announced at a press conference an hour earlier that day by <checks notes> Boris Johnson!

I have just seen this interview. I cant believe it. How out of touch can you be.

He's a goner.

[smuts]

Our PM telling us nobody told him he was breaking the rules. What leadership...

If the saner members of his party haven't chased him out of Number 10 by this time next week then abandon all hope.

The only deflection the usual right wing frothers on social media have is to pile on that Covid rule breaking Beth Rigby was the one the asking the questions.

[JerseyHammer]

This must be (even more of) a nightmare for anyone that has to enforce the rules, he certainly doesn't make it easy for them

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Remember way back in 2010 when we all thought Gordon Brown would be the worst Prime Minister of our lifetimes?

How naive we all were.

And still we are here saying the next one must be better.

I'd have brown as one of 4 people since Thatcher than had any idea why they wanted power (other than the power). He was screwed by the chancellor that preceded his premiership and the banks. He is a bit like a player that gets better in people's eyes while he is out injured and some other idiot keeps scoring own goals.

[DaveWHU1964]

And still we are here saying the next one must be better.

Firstly, I'd argue they could barely be worst but is anyone, at all, saying "the next one must be better"? (my bolding). Second, what is your point/ argument here? Because it looks like it's "be careful what you wish for" or inertia or fatalism but I dare say it's another option I haven't thought about so is it one of them or something else Sammy? Genuine question.

[Samba]

[delbert]

One is funded by a million people paying £1, the other by 1 person paying a million pounds.

Which will have the best interests of people as it's guiding light?

So the choice is what's worse, a million people buying favours or just one?

If he's "willing to testify under oath" is that not just code for "I haven't got any actual evidence" (ie pics emails etc)

I struggle to believe that for a bloke that has such a data fetish he didn't email BJ his concerns so he had written evidence.......

[DrVenk]

But the whole point of "they are all as bad as each other" is that it is used to prevent discussing politics. It is also b*llocks IMO.

Standard political debating tricks: Deny, Dismiss, Query, Deflate, Deflect, Tarnish. They usually operate in that order.

- What problem?
- Admit their might be a problem but onus is still on you to demonstrate it
- Accept there seems to be a problem, but question whether we have the full facts
- With full facts, acknowledge there is definitely a problem, but does it matter really?
- Ok, so it does matter but what about that bloke drinking a beer, ay?
- Ah bollox - they’re all the same!

Once you're hit with tarnish the lot of them, your interlocutor usually has nowhere left to go.

[Junco Partner]

No way Brown would have allowed anything remotely like a party in similar circumstances, nor May for that matter, they knew the seriousness of their position. Blair maybe, but not the party-scene this clown ran, Cameron would have been sneakier about it, and only the right donors, journo's and a few Russians would have been let in.

[666 hammer]

So SAGE. must have known about the rule breaks, Sir Starmer obeyed the rules and yet he has caught covid more than anyone else.
You could conclude the rules where useless.

[Junco Partner]

There were no parties
<evidence>
Everything was within guidelines
<evidence>
I didn't attend and am furious there were parties in my house
<evidence>
It was a work event & I didn't know it was a party and only went or 25 minutes
<evidence>
Nobody told me a party was against the rules....that I wrote.

Its just getting ridiculous.

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

So SAGE. must have known about the rule breaks, Sir Starmer obeyed the rules and yet he has caught covid more than anyone else.
You could conclude the rules where useless.

SAGE aren't based in Downing Street or these Whitehall offices we keep hearing about. Bit odd to chuck them in but I guess any meat shield for Dear Boris is a good meat shield.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Firstly, I'd argue they could barely be worst but is anyone, at all, saying "the next one must be better"? (my bolding). Second, what is your point/ argument here? Because it looks like it's "be careful what you wish for" or inertia or fatalism but I dare say it's another option I haven't thought about so is it one of them or something else Sammy? Genuine question.

It's cynicism mate. I've known or met dozens of politicians at all levels and from the 3 big parties. Grew up surrounded by NUM and NUT union people. If and when push comes to shove they were all in it for themselves. There's nothing wrong with that of course just don't try and sell it as for the people. The levels of everyday, low level corruption that goes on, the money funneled away from taxpayers to party faithful, the jobs for friends and family, the funding spent to self promote, incompetence, waste and plain old theft all dressed up as the way it works is staggering. I dread to think of everything that goes on.

I would never vote for anyone tied to the main parties. I'd go for an independent with a cause of one came around but they rarely do.

I didn't think anyone could be worse than Major but you look back and he appears almost a high point of the last 40 years. Starmer certainly can't be more buffoonish than johnson but I would bet decent money by year 3 or 4 he has ground to a halt. I could be wrong because tbh I have absolutely no idea what he stands for except not being Boris. He gives the impression of not even being able to control his party never mind hold together a coalition or minority govt. Staggeringly that might actually be better I guess.

[666 hammer]

SAGE aren't based in Downing Street or these Whitehall offices we keep hearing about. Bit odd to chuck them in but I guess any meat shield for Dear Boris is a good meat shield.

Silly me. I thought the daily covid briefing was from Downing Street. I guess SAGE was barred due to the restrictions. Must have been all done via zoom.

[WestcliffHammer]

So by admitting full responsibility by not taking full responsibility it was actually great to see him crestfallen broken and completely backed into a corner you have no moves left. You're not quite so Teflon now

[Rays Rock]

I’d quite like to see somebody fresh step in. Somebody with more conservative tendencies like Steve Baker would be ideal.

[Puff Daddy]

How about a return to Tory proper old school, core Conservative values, Government for big corporate banks and oil companies and f*** all the rest of us ?

[Rays Rock]

How about a return to Tory proper old school, core Conservative values, Government for big corporate banks and oil companies and **** all the rest of us ?

That didn’t necessarily dry up under a different colour government.
Odd how some people take a dim view on private sector profit but turn a blind eye to public sector wastefulness.

[OFT]

How about a return to Tory proper old school, core Conservative values, Government for big corporate banks and oil companies and **** all the rest of us ?

Jacob Rees-Mogg is ready and waiting for that gig.

[Rays Rock]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is ready and waiting for that gig.

Lets hope so.