The Johnson Government 2019-2022

[Loftyhammer]

Things less "wrong" than eating cheesy nibbles in the workplace include doing 78 in a 40 zone and bombing Baghdad.

And there’s the deflecting whataboutery in which you particularly specialise

[Monkeybubbles]

Things less "wrong" than eating cheesy nibbles in the workplace include doing 78 in a 40 zone and bombing Baghdad.

You're just being deliberately obtuse now.

[Bend it like Repka]

Things less "wrong" than eating cheesy nibbles in the workplace include doing 78 in a 40 zone and bombing Baghdad.

Al Capone ended up being done for tax evasion. Did anyone care?

Serial liar who lied habitually, gets done for Cheesy nibbles rather than dodgy donors, or contracts to mistresses, or making up reasons to shut Parliament or how his flat decoration was paid for.

Yet still you try to act like he has been wronged in some way compared to others...

You are becoming the Lord Longford of NUMB.

[Junco Partner]

On Thursday's Question Time the audience was selected to include those who mostly voted Tory in 2019 and they were polled on Johnson and not one person thought he was telling the truth. That's it, his goose is cooked.

Hopefully he hangs around whinging about the injustice, and reminding everyone what a corrupt, incompetent, contemptuous circus he and Sunak presided over. If you were a mug, you followed the rules; if you were smart like them, you ignored them.

Sadly the damage he has done to this country, to the Union, to our economy, to our environment, to our public services and to public trust in government and parliamentary democracy will take a long, long time to repair.

[Cornelius Beal]

Starma said he would resign if he got one for that offence

Still gets battered for it even tho found no case to answer

I feel the reason Starmer was so confident he would not get fined is because he is a lawyer.
He knew the rules at the time and was confident he did not break any of them.


Contrast the man famously rarely on top of his brief ( and briefs). As this past week has shown, he tries to hide behind relying on others to tell him what he can or cannot do. Blatantly ignoring rules he was involved in making and agreeing.


There was a very telling moment on the recently aired ' Nazanin' C4 documentary.
Her husband Richard fresh from witnessing the Iranian authorities claim at the Courts of Justice for their rightful pursuit of their Chieftan Tank contract money, then had a meeting at No.10.


With Raab and Johnson in the room, Richard Radcliffe reiterated why was the UK stalling on the historic payment due to the Iranians? as the hearing was proving. He said Johnson sounded surprised as he said he wasn't aware of the ( widely reported) hearing at the Courts of Justice.

So, again the serial liar was lying or totally incapable of doing his job by reading and/or listening to his briefings.

[Turns to Stone]

Would it be worse if Andy Burnham was on TV every night at 6pm saying ‘whatever you do, do not drive faster than the speed limit!’

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

He seems to have failed to address the 78mph bit. Regardless of whether he thought he was in a seventy limit, he would still have been breaking that limit.

['stone hammer]

He seems to have failed to address the 78mph bit. Regardless of whether he thought he was in a seventy limit, he would still have been breaking that limit.

Indeed, came across as 'well I didn't think it was that wrong, but if you say so.'

[mumbles87]

He seems to have failed to address the 78mph bit. Regardless of whether he thought he was in a seventy limit, he would still have been breaking that limit.

If was normal speed limit it's 10% plus 2 mph before they issue a ticket so he wouldn't be caught

The 8 mph over could be part tolerance of the Speedo

I doubt he was going the fastest at the time , there is always a BMW doing 95

[chelmsfordhammer91]

If was normal speed limit it's 10% plus 2 mph before they issue a ticket so he wouldn't be caught

The 8 mph over could be part tolerance of the Speedo

I doubt he was going the fastest at the time , there is always a BMW doing 95

That first part is incorrect. Although some cameras have a tolerance of 10% plus 2, you can be prosecuted for 1mph over the limit if it is evidenced.

A speedo can legally show you as being up to 10% faster than what you really are traveling, but cannot show as being slower than you are traveling (hence why dash cams and maps apps show your speed as slower than your speedo).

To be traveling at 78mph, your speedo would usually show around 82-85mph (depending on the car of course).

Either way, I don't see this anywhere near as bad as the stuff Boris has been done for. The circumstances are different and the context of the offence and actions afterwards are also different.

[mumbles87]

That first part is incorrect. Although some cameras have a tolerance of 10% plus 2, you can be prosecuted for 1mph over the limit if it is evidenced.

A speedo can legally show you as being up to 10% faster than what you really are traveling, but cannot show as being slower than you are traveling (hence why dash cams and maps apps show your speed as slower than your speedo).

To be traveling at 78mph, your speedo would usually show around 82-85mph (depending on the car of course).

Either way, I don't see this anywhere near as bad as the stuff Boris has been done for. The circumstances are different and the context of the offence and actions afterwards are also different.

Whilst they can do you for 1mph over the rule of thumb is still 10% plus 2

And 10% plus 9 is speed awareness course aswell so wouldnt even be a fine if he qualified

[chelmsfordhammer91]

Whilst they can do you for 1mph over the rule of thumb is still 10% plus 2

And 10% plus 9 is speed awareness course aswell so wouldnt even be a fine if he qualified

You can still get prosecuted below that, and people currently do, regardless of rule of thumb. It's a myth, different forces have different guidance but if you are captured doing 1mph over, you can and in some cases are prosecuted.

I know that for Essex Police, there is no threshold on their cameras, but do follow the guidance of a speed awareness course over 10% plus 2mph, up to 9mph.

[alf git]

Whataboutery upon whataboutery. This threads descending into farce.

It's a limit, not a target btw.

[hammers92]

Same standards have to be applied when I criticise the Tories so for this example, Burnham is a bit of a **** for doing that figure.

He’s rightly been fined, and rightly held his hands up. It can’t be defended however I don’t think there’s much more here to see.

[chelmsfordhammer91]

Same standards have to be applied when I criticise the Tories so for this example, Burnham is a bit of a **** for doing that figure.

He’s rightly been fined, and rightly held his hands up. It can’t be defended however I don’t think there’s much more here to see.

Pretty much how I see it. I wouldn't expect a resignation for it.

[DaveWHU1964]

We should ignore the lesser offenders?

I didn’t come close to saying that.

[DaveWHU1964]

Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

Yep, there is a scale.

Same old Bubbles.

Anyway, how do you feel that you are you even able to comment on this stuff when a few days back you claimed that you’d paid no attention at the time to what Johnson was saying to parliament about these parties. You can only compare scale if you know about both can’t you? Did you nis-remember? Have his words at the time come flooding back to you.

[DaveWHU1964]

He broke the law you will agree. I think (as I have said in here a number of times) that is enough for people in positions of power to go. It should be a sacking offence imo. Burnham is defacto PCC and he broke the law but that's just my view.

However that aside when Johnson and sunak were fined there were plenty on here quick to label then criminals (which I disagree with) and call for them to resign (which as above I also disagree with, it should be out of there hands). I was just interested to see if the same standards applied in this case.

No you weren’t. You were deflecting, pure and simple, otherwise you’d have put this stuff, where it belongs, on the Labour Party thread.

Last week’s enquiry was about whether Johnson had lied to parliament. That is the issue at hand, not whether he, Burnham, you or I had had FPNs.

[mumbles87]

No you weren’t. You were deflecting, pure and simple, otherwise you’d have put this stuff, where it belongs, on the Labour Party thread.

Last week’s enquiry was about whether Johnson had lied to parliament. That is the issue at hand, not whether he, Burnham, you or I had had FPNs.

Exactly, it's two completely different situations

Did he set the limit? No
Did he lie about it? No
Was he treated differently from a member of public? No
Did he accept his actions were wrong? Yes

Like you say it's nothing to do with what Boris did wrong this enquiry, it's if he lied to parliament about it

Last time I checked Burnham wasn't even an MP...

So I'm failing to see the relevance to bojos situation

Is he still a tit for missing the gantry signs? Yes

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

No you weren’t. You were deflecting, pure and simple, otherwise you’d have put this stuff, where it belongs, on the Labour Party thread.

Last week’s enquiry was about whether Johnson had lied to parliament. That is the issue at hand, not whether he, Burnham, you or I had had FPNs.

I could have put it there but it was the comparative reaction I was interested in so this was a better fit.

No you are conflating 2 parts. The relevant comparison is the police investigation which resulted in a fixed penalty fine and led to many on here calling him a criminal and saying he should resign. A fine which was followed by an apology and an excuse of I didn't believe I had broken the law. An investigation that, going on no follow up charges, wasn't lied to.

The parliamentary investigation is separate, they will punish him within their remit.