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btajim - mcfc wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:25 pm Why do Labour insist on penalising success? It’s like they don’t want people to aspire to anything.
There's hardly been a plethora of people clamouring for the top rate of tax to be abolished because it's "penalising success" has there?
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btajim - mcfc wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:25 pm Why do Labour insist on penalising success? It’s like they don’t want people to aspire to anything.
The Tories want more people to be well off as they're then more likely to vote for them*, Labour want more poor people for the same reason. If there wasn't any poverty or inequality the reason for socialism** fails to exist.
It's like all the various charities, if they reach their goals then the reason for their existence ends..........

* Current bunch excepted, they're on a bizarre mission that'll lead to their oblivion.
** Socialism in the loosest of terms.

Of course some of the above may be generalistic hyperbollox, much like a lot of posts are on the equivalent Tory thread........ :winker:
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delbert wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:58 pm The Tories want more people to be well off as they're then more likely to vote for them*, Labour want more poor people for the same reason. If there wasn't any poverty or inequality the reason for socialism** fails to exist.
It's like all the various charities, if they reach their goals then the reason for their existence ends..........

* Current bunch excepted, they're on a bizarre mission that'll lead to their oblivion.
** Socialism in the loosest of terms.

Of course some of the above may be generalistic hyperbollox, much like a lot of posts are on the equivalent Tory thread........ :winker:
Charities only have to exist due to inequality caused by greed and hoarding of wealth .. a typical Tory trait.
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It's like all the various charities, if they reach their goals then the reason for their existence ends

There was an Oxfam advertising campaign decades ago that went something like "Help put us out of business".
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mumbles87 wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:01 pm Charities only have to exist due to inequality caused by greed and hoarding of wealth .. a typical Tory trait.
Missing the point and confirming the hyperbollox, we'll done....... :newthumb:
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Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:07 pm It's like all the various charities, if they reach their goals then the reason for their existence ends

There was an Oxfam advertising campaign decades ago that went something like "Help put us out of business".
If you go into the Epping one, you can see how they could put the likes of WHSmith and Waterstones out of business.

They're mimicking the exact design of those book shops/music sellers etc - but all their stock has been handed to them on a plate.

Actually looks detrimental to traditional retail just as much as online.
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Motion to allow Corbyn to stand as an MP while suspended voted down by Labour conference, 62% to 38%.

Can this and Rebecca Long-Bailey's total failure in the leadership election put to bed any notions of Corbyn supporters still having any hold on the party?
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They’ve only themselves to blame. The last election was solely based on Brexit. Johnson committed to a stance whilst Corbyn did not.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:55 am Motion to allow Corbyn to stand as an MP while suspended voted down by Labour conference, 62% to 38%.

Can this and Rebecca Long-Bailey's total failure in the leadership election put to bed any notions of Corbyn supporters still having any hold on the party?
Given the minutes silence and singing of the National Anthem, I think it is fair to say the purge has been successful. When the most controversial debate is on Proportional Representation then you really know things have moved on.

Probably won’t stop some muppet setting up a splinter party nearer the election.
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This is a fairly major step.


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That is welcome news.
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Indeed it is.

But theres been no deal with the Liberal Democrats :crylol:

A good thing for democracy i think, maybe less so for Government.
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Nationalising the railways and PR?

Proper policies.
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I'm pretty sure Labour Conference resolutions aren't binding on the Parliamentary party.
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btajim - mcfc wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:25 pm Why do Labour insist on penalising success? It’s like they don’t want people to aspire to anything.
How do they penalise success, please explain your rationale?

Otherwise I'll think you've swallowed an Express leader
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Up the Junction wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:52 pm This is a fairly major step.


The same system that delivered 13 years of labour rule. If they get in with a majority they won't change the system (just shuffle some boundaries about).

Lib Dems need this in stone if this is the deal.
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Good idea to invite multi-millionaire, property tycoon, ‘champagne socialist’ Gary Neville to the conference. Moans about high taxes, moans about tax cuts, f*cking hypocrite. The modern socialist, Labour supporter :lol:
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Why do people think that anyone who supports Labour or backs their policies has to be poor?
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Macca1973 wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:58 pm Good idea to invite multi-millionaire, property tycoon, ‘champagne socialist’ Gary Neville to the conference. Moans about high taxes, moans about tax cuts, f*cking hypocrite. The modern socialist, Labour supporter :lol:
So, in your world, are working class people who've done very well not supposed to vote Labour and why?
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No they have to accumulate a personal wealth of approximately £70m through property and business deals. The very essence of socialism. What moron invited him to the conference? :lol:
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