The Labour Party Thread
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The Labour Party Thread
Coming to TVs near you soon. Full list here, these are the edited 'highlights'.
Being the Labour Party, this means nothing. If their election process is as before, they'll end up with the compromise candidate least hated by MPs, membership/Momentum and the unions. MPs not unreasonably want someone electable, Momentum/activists want a hard socialist figurehead to lead their 'Smash the system and kill the rich' rallies while the unions want someone who'll promise to nationalise everything.
The party has a difficult choice. Do they keep their socialist principles and choose one who they feel the country needs, or pop some realism pills and go for someone the country might want?
Being the Labour Party, this means nothing. If their election process is as before, they'll end up with the compromise candidate least hated by MPs, membership/Momentum and the unions. MPs not unreasonably want someone electable, Momentum/activists want a hard socialist figurehead to lead their 'Smash the system and kill the rich' rallies while the unions want someone who'll promise to nationalise everything.
The party has a difficult choice. Do they keep their socialist principles and choose one who they feel the country needs, or pop some realism pills and go for someone the country might want?
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Re: Next Labour Leader
I notice they're pushing the female angle, whilst it's pretty strange that the party of equality are still yet to have a female party leader it sort of sums them up that to get one could come down to tokenism.........
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Re: Next Labour Leader
Like football clubs replacing managers parties tend to go for the opposite type to the one just ousted.
Dan Jarvis?
Was very well thought of before the Corbyn project took off. Kept his head down during those 4 years, ran a mayors office in Sheffield without issue and held his Barnsley seat on Thursday.
Might be worth an outside bet.
Dan Jarvis?
Was very well thought of before the Corbyn project took off. Kept his head down during those 4 years, ran a mayors office in Sheffield without issue and held his Barnsley seat on Thursday.
Might be worth an outside bet.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
Lisa Nandy can make Labour votable again, the momentum movement will destroy her. Labour in purgatory for the next 20
+ years.
+ years.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
It doesn't matter who it is , it could be Jesus Christ himself , the Tory Press would go on the attack from Day One and crucify him .
Boom effing Boom .
Boom effing Boom .
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Re: Next Labour Leader
If the Tories and BxP had got together he would have been gone, his Damascene conversion to Boris' deal may have just got him home. Has lost about 20% of the vote since taking over from the guy that went to jail. Unpopular with both traditional and momentum branches. Took the Mayor gig as a back up because he thought his days were numbered.Junco Partner wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:50 pm Like football clubs replacing managers parties tend to go for the opposite type to the one just ousted.
Dan Jarvis?
Was very well thought of before the Corbyn project took off. Kept his head down during those 4 years, ran a mayors office in Sheffield without issue and held his Barnsley seat on Thursday.
Might be worth an outside bet.
Blairite, ex-military and no big pull with the unions either so he hasn't a price. Also he isn't a woman so won't get the leadership this time.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
Yeah, like I say, parties like football clubs rebound towards the antithesis of the previous leader/manager. Sounds like he fits the bill.
But as you state, he's no clear power base within the party....then again neither did Corbyn to start with.
Whoever it is I hope they seethings clearly enough to know that co-operating with Greens and Lib Dems and even SNP and PC's when required is not a crime, in fact it is absolutely necessary when battling the rigged system and billionaire owned media bias.
A progressive alliance is the only viable route to escaping Tory rule in the foreseeable future, the new Labour leader must recognise this and not be stuck in some 70-s class war timewarp. All the progressive manifestos contain some excellent proposals. A smart leader will reach out to them, and gather ideas from many other sources, and build an alliance around them.
Don't mourn, organise.
But as you state, he's no clear power base within the party....then again neither did Corbyn to start with.
Whoever it is I hope they seethings clearly enough to know that co-operating with Greens and Lib Dems and even SNP and PC's when required is not a crime, in fact it is absolutely necessary when battling the rigged system and billionaire owned media bias.
A progressive alliance is the only viable route to escaping Tory rule in the foreseeable future, the new Labour leader must recognise this and not be stuck in some 70-s class war timewarp. All the progressive manifestos contain some excellent proposals. A smart leader will reach out to them, and gather ideas from many other sources, and build an alliance around them.
Don't mourn, organise.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
The Celtic Nats don't want to be part of the UK, Juncs - there can be no 'alliance'.Junco Partner wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:35 pm Yeah, like I say, parties like football clubs rebound towards the antithesis of the previous leader/manager. Sounds like he fits the bill.
But as you state, he's no clear power base within the party....then again neither did Corbyn to start with.
Whoever it is I hope they seethings clearly enough to know that co-operating with Greens and Lib Dems and even SNP and PC's when required is not a crime, in fact it is absolutely necessary when battling the rigged system and billionaire owned media bias.
A progressive alliance is the only viable route to escaping Tory rule in the foreseeable future, the new Labour leader must recognise this and not be stuck in some 70-s class war timewarp. All the progressive manifestos contain some excellent proposals. A smart leader will reach out to them, and gather ideas from many other sources, and build an alliance around them.
Don't mourn, organise.
The Greens? Well, Labour could try to get along with them, I suppose.
The Lib Dems strike me as just as likely allies for the Tories as Labour.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
I am not sure they do. Labour went from Milliband to Corbyn. Thats a change in offside trap in rather than a shift from tica taca to hoofball.Junco Partner wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:35 pm Yeah, like I say, parties like football clubs rebound towards the antithesis of the previous leader/manager. Sounds like he fits the bill.
But as you state, he's no clear power base within the party....then again neither did Corbyn to start with.
Corbyn had a support base that wasn't his problem, his problem was the PLP and getting on the ballot. Labours problem has long been that they think labour voters are like labour members. This misunderstanding got Corbyn on the ballot and his misunderstanding of the same thing lost him the leadership.
Jarvis would probably have the opposite problem, he might get the support to be nominated (although these rules have changed) but he then needs a party power base that he just can't muster in the current set up.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
They should go for Grace, or someone Jewish or perhaps that Barry Sherman chap that screamed after Boris had tried to shut Parliament.
Re: Next Labour Leader
They've changed the election system, when Corbyn was at his height conference changed the rules, any candidate must now have just 10 per cent of Labour MPs plus either 5 per cent of Constituency Labour Parties OR 5 per cent of affiliated societies, as measured by their strength on the floor of Labour conference, two affiliated societies must be trades unions. In practice the 5% of affiliated societies is meaningless as you are required to have at least two trade unions, any two Trade Unions will give you over that 5%.Georgee Paris wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:03 pm They should go for Grace, or someone Jewish or perhaps that Barry Sherman chap that screamed after Boris had tried to shut Parliament.
So in reality to stand you need - 21 MP's and 33 constituency parties
or - 21 MP's and 2 Trade Unions.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
A combination of the things people didnt like about Corbyn and Swinson?the pink palermo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:53 am She's relatively inexperienced, but Jess Phillips is the best option.
Although she does appear to have the misleading working class cult thing going.
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Re: Next Labour Leader
Given that so many women are on the racecard, can you imagine the outcry if Starmer gets it?
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Re: Next Labour Leader
I actually like Jess Phillips and think she'd make a good Labour leader.
The public wouldn't vote for her though, and the Sun and the Mail would just bang on about what a frump she is and how if she really cared about this country she'd wear make-up more often.
The public wouldn't vote for her though, and the Sun and the Mail would just bang on about what a frump she is and how if she really cared about this country she'd wear make-up more often.
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