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dave_l wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:50 amIn my experience, not every kid who goes to private school is the kid of a hedge fund manager or footballer.
They will be once the prices go up again.
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Private Schools are clearly not charities and should not be treated like one. Labour are bang on the money with this one, which will have public support and tie the Tories in knots.

Labour seem to have got a lot smarter recently and the Tories are falling on their traps time and time again.
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E15Iron wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:05 am Private Schools are clearly not charities and should not be treated like one. Labour are bang on the money with this one, which will have public support and tie the Tories in knots.

Labour seem to have got a lot smarter recently and the Tories are falling on their traps time and time again.
Universities next, another middle/upper class leg up.
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If families can't afford VAT on fees then why don't they cancel Netflix, stop eating avocados, buy less takeaways and work a little harder?
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:35 am Universities next, another middle/upper class leg up.
If Universities are registered as charities then that should absolutely change.
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How many charities charge fees from those they purport to help?
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E15Iron wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:05 am Private Schools are clearly not charities and should not be treated like one. Labour are bang on the money with this one, which will have public support and tie the Tories in knots.

Labour seem to have got a lot smarter recently and the Tories are falling on their traps time and time again.
It appears that to be classed as a charity all they have to do is let a few students in at at reduced rate:

https://theconversation.com/the-public- ... tus-182060

The Tories will untie any knots by pointing out that fact that a number of Labour MP's and their offspring have also benefited from a private education.......
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delbert wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:07 am It appears that to be classed as a charity all they have to do is let a few students in at at reduced rate:

https://theconversation.com/the-public- ... tus-182060

The Tories will untie any knots by pointing out that fact that a number of Labour MP's and their offspring have also benefited from a private education.......
No issue with anyone going to private school, that's their choice, that's not the matter at hand. The matter is having the state in effect paying 20% of the fees.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:48 am If families can't afford VAT on fees then why don't they cancel Netflix, stop eating avocados, buy less takeaways and work a little harder?
Phew, as long as we don't have to get rid of the nanny. :newthumb:
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delbert wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:07 am It appears that to be classed as a charity all they have to do is let a few students in at at reduced rate:

https://theconversation.com/the-public- ... tus-182060

The Tories will untie any knots by pointing out that fact that a number of Labour MP's and their offspring have also benefited from a private education.......
Wanting the privileged to pay their fare share is a very different scenario to use that tactic against than if Labour were (correctly) calling for private schools to be abolished.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:21 pm Wanting the privileged to pay their fare share is a very different scenario to use that tactic against than if Labour were (correctly) calling for private schools to be abolished.
Why should they be abolished? Is anyone calling for that. People can spend their money on anything they choose surely
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:48 am If families can't afford VAT on fees then why don't they cancel Netflix, stop eating avocados, buy less takeaways and work a little harder?
Blimey ! Sounds like the reincarnation of Prince Phillip! :crylol:
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E15Iron wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:05 am Private Schools are clearly not charities and should not be treated like one. Labour are bang on the money with this one, which will have public support and tie the Tories in knots.

Labour seem to have got a lot smarter recently and the Tories are falling on their traps time and time again.
Or have Labour simply gone back to one of Corbyn's ideas , you know the ones that Starmer has been so busy trashing since becoming leader, and decided it actually is a better one than anything he ( Starmer) could come up with!
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:35 pm Why should they be abolished? Is anyone calling for that. People can spend their money on anything they choose surely
I jest (slightly). But nobody has come up with a better way to fix the inequalities they cause in our system, maybe getting rid of them is the only option?

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ironsonthebrain wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:18 pm Or have Labour simply gone back to one of Corbyn's ideas , you know the ones that Starmer has been so busy trashing since becoming leader, and decided it actually is a better one than anything he ( Starmer) could come up with!
Well Corbyn's was to abolish them altogether. Labour is to cut the charitable status and ensure VAT is paid. A much different position. I personally don't agree with abolishing them, if people want to send their kids to private schools then they should have the choice to do so. However I do agree with the current Labour position of abolishing the charitable status and ensuring VAT is paid.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:33 pm I jest (slightly). But nobody has come up with a better way to fix the inequalities they cause in our system, maybe getting rid of them is the only option?
We could improve state education I guess. Burning the old school tie will only see something else used. In fact taking away the charitable bit could make the problem worse, make them even more exclusive.

House of lords is easy the parties nominate who they want to go in.
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When you think that the Chester by-election came about because of allegations of serious sexual mis-conduct by the sitting Labour MP, to see a record percentage vote for Labour and at the same time, the lowest Tory share of the vote in that city since 1832 is a little bit stunning ...

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-wins- ... n-12758562
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DaveWHU1964 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 am When you think that the Chester by-election came about because of allegations of serious sexual mis-conduct by the sitting Labour MP, to see a record percentage vote for Labour and at the same time, the lowest Tory share of the vote in that city since 1832 is a little bit stunning ...

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-wins- ... n-12758562
Good job it wasn't tractor porn I guess lol.
People find ways to justify their sides failings and moralise about the others. Its also how Johnson rose to power.
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Potential Labour landslide incoming at the next election.
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E15Iron wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:21 am Potential Labour landslide incoming at the next election.
It won't be a landslide unless Scotland ditches the SNP. They will have a big group of people willing to abstain rather than vote with the Tories on issues though. Right now I would say a majority in the 30-40 range. 2 years down the line it will probably be a coalition.
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