The Labour Party Thread

[bubbles1966]

Looks like another policy position is about to bite the dust.



He also promised many thousands more police officers yesterday, but £0 to pay for it - it'll be "efficiencies".

[the pink palermo]

He also promised many thousands more police officers yesterday, but £0 to pay for it - it'll be "efficiencies".

Thought that would appeal to Tory heartland voters.....

[delbert]

Looks like another policy position is about to bite the dust.



He also promised many thousands more police officers yesterday, but £0 to pay for it - it'll be "efficiencies".

The trans hill was one Sturgeon ridiculously died on, he's been on that bandwagon and nearly came a cropper himself, he's now saw what it done for her and has promptly jumped off. Given the reaction of some of the cranks and freaks in the replies I don't blame him:

"MrFaceRock
@MrFaceRock
Replying to
@YouGov
The rollback of LGBTQ rights for short term political convenience will be looked back on in shame.

The same people funding this hate are now gleefully going after abortion rights and gay marriage too."

This was further down though



If true, that's Izzard's non finest moment viciously torn to pieces by the simple application of fact over bollox:lol:

Edited to add:

He has a habit of forgetting what bandwagon he's previously jumped on, not surprising really when he's jumped on so many in attempts to whore up minority votes. Now he's going after mainstream votes he's keen to drop the dead albatrosses, trans last week, Jamaican criminals this week:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17503 ... aica-crime

People shouldn't take it personally or care so much, he never did.......

[bubbles1966]

The Scottish coalition government is on the brink of collapse over this self ID stuff. The Watermelons are saying they will withdraw support for the SNP if they back down.

The same type of thing will play out down south. Starmer is gradually dumping the policies of the left, so some of the left will end up dumping him.

Not sure he can out-Tory the Tories on their own policy turf and he has so many on the record volte-faces that they will simply paint him as untrustworthy. Wouldn't have worked if Boris was there, but if he's off the scene, that's a different matter.

Starmer must be getting feedback telling him that a lot of Guardian type ideas are toxic with ordinary people.

[bubbles1966]

Starmer tries to ban Corbyn.

[the pink palermo]

Corbyn won his power base because of the fact he understood that whoever controlled the NEC, controlled the party.

He was a huge fan of it.

I can hardly see how he could criticise it if they off him.

[bubbles1966]

It's a funny one.

It's possible to see why he would want to stick Corbyn in the attic in terms of the way he is viewed by much of the electorate, but how that will wash with those further to the left who have been eagerly voting Labour under Corbyn remains to be seen.

At some point, I can't help suspecting that there will be some kind of faction that will accuse Starmer of being a Tory.

He's gambling that 'the centre' is a safe place to be, and not 'no-man's land' where you are being shot at from both sides.

[the pink palermo]

Bubbles, the conventional thinking in the Labour party is you can only win an election in the centre.

Starmer is convinced a Corbyn level of leftness is a losing position. So are the policy makers.

They base their argument in no small part on the results last time around.Whether or not that is a valid position remains to be seen, but barring a significant event ( war, revolution etc) I think Starmer will win the next election with Labour, albeit with much of the red wall turning blue.

They've been deselecting Corbynites for 2 years now.

[delbert]

Now they've done a number on Corbyn himself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65102128

I doubt the turd will flush quietly into the night though, he'll stick around like a floater stinking up the place.......

[hammers92]

Now they've done a number on Corbyn himself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65102128

I doubt the turd will flush quietly into the night though, he'll stick around like a floater stinking up the place.......

Jesus. I know someone very well who worked for him and from what I’ve been told, he’s an absolute gentleman, cares about his staff and guided by doing what he feels is right.

Don’t let that stop the sensationalist stories though.

It’s a stupid decision. Starker has created a question that nobody was asking the answer to.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Does he win as an independent?

[EvilC]

Does he win as an independent?

No: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 70587.html

[EvilC]

Jesus. I know someone very well who worked for him and from what I’ve been told, he’s an absolute gentleman, cares about his staff and guided by doing what he feels is right.

I guess a lot then depends on what you think of his sense of right and wrong. And for me, it leaves rather a lot to be desired.

[hammers92]

I guess a lot then depends on what you think of his sense of right and wrong. And for me, it leaves rather a lot to be desired.

And that would be fair. Some of the nonsense that gets said about him is exactly that, nonsense.

[Clacton-ammer]

I'm kind of split on KS taking JC out, without question there are things about JC I do not like, but there are things I do like about him.

KS has made the call, and certainly the right political call (imo) to help Labour get over the line come the next GE. Problem for KS/Labour now is that RS is a grown up and all things considered doing a decent job on the other side, can RS do enough for people to forget the clusterfuck the Tories put us in, probably not, but some people tend to have a short memory.

[YorksHammer]

Jesus. I know someone very well who worked for him and from what I’ve been told, he’s an absolute gentleman, cares about his staff and guided by doing what he feels is right.

Don’t let that stop the sensationalist stories though.

It’s a stupid decision. Starker has created a question that nobody was asking the answer to.

I think this isn't the thing that backfires on Starmer, though - most of those who joined Labour or backed Labour because of Corbyn have already seen enough from Starmer to be vocally against him. Probably just amplifies those people saying that Starmer is Cameron with a red tie and confirms their feelings.

Trouble is, they don't really have anywhere to go as there only Green that probably aligns with those policies that they would support - and they haven't made significant inroads in a vast majority of the country. Be alright if you're in Brighton, maybe Bristol West where they're either first or second. There are a couple of constituencies they got about 15-16% of the vote last time out (Dulwich and Bury St Edmunds). Both of those are, respectively, strongly Labour and Conservative (65% plus of the vote in 2019), so it seems unlikely they'll get the level of swing needed to take a seat in Parliament. Otherwise it's pretty much pointless doing, well, anything other than voting Labour, given that those who will be on that side will most likely fall in the 'anybody but Tory' camp.

I suspect as well there's a whole generation of my age (35) where the Lib Dems burned any stock they had with us in 2010-15.

[Het-Field]

No: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 70587.html

But that would really depend on the extent to which Corbyn had a personal vote. He has been the MP since 1983, and was Labour leader for half a decade. I agree that most formerly alinged MP's are probably stunned when they stand as independents and get a few hundred votes, and realise nobody knew who they were. But Corbyn has name recognition that is shared by a small group of politicians in the UK. I'd imagine if he stood his team would be unprecedented in terms of its size. I would expect that for every leaflet dropped by Labour, Corbyn's team would drop two, and for every door knocked on, Corbyn's team would double it. Like George Galloway in Bow in 2005 it would become a bit of a dogfight, but I think Labour could underestimate his ability to rally a team, raise funds, and actually force the issue.

[Clacton-ammer]

Wouldn't disagree with any of that Hetfield, watch this space, could become interesting.

[EvilC]

But that would really depend on the extent to which Corbyn had a personal vote. He has been the MP since 1983, and was Labour leader for half a decade. I agree that most formerly alinged MP's are probably stunned when they stand as independents and get a few hundred votes, and realise nobody knew who they were. But Corbyn has name recognition that is shared by a small group of politicians in the UK. I'd imagine if he stood his team would be unprecedented in terms of its size. I would expect that for every leaflet dropped by Labour, Corbyn's team would drop two, and for every door knocked on, Corbyn's team would double it. Like George Galloway in Bow in 2005 it would become a bit of a dogfight, but I think Labour could underestimate his ability to rally a team, raise funds, and actually force the issue.

He has name recognition but whilst some recognise him as the messiah many will recognise him as a useless arse.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

He has name recognition but whilst some recognise him as the messiah many will recognise him as a useless arse.

Who they have elected since 1983 lol. Got to love politics