Goodbye and thank you. David Moyes' Claret and Blue Army!

[MB]

I think a deep dive into Moyes signings would probably provide insight that his hit rate is similar to other decent prem managers.

Interestingly the year you refer to was one where Moyes was being encouraged by the clubs hierarchy to adapt his approach to a more aesthetically pleasing style, hence the purchase of a player like Aguerd. He still managed to sign Paquetta and Emerson. The former was being chased by Pep before the betting scandal…

Emerson has been mostly poor and is targeted by any opposition with half a brain and betting scandal aside I struggle to call Paqueta a success. Bought for a role which was folly from the start and one pass and a link to Pep (up there with Diop to Manchester United) is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting. For the money committed he should be delivering week in, week out.

Moyes also tried that new approach for what six matches before writing off the signings and reveting to type?

His hit rate may be similar but the flops have always been the costly ones. Over £100m on centre backs and only one at the club who in a perfect world wouldn't be!

He also left no foundation for anyone to build on.

[Viv Stanshall]

Awe Hame !
Och awa' an' dinna talk pish

[Gazmundo]

It's almost like the resurrection of this thread is down to someone drunk booty texting their ex (Moyes) last night.

[Ozza]

Awe Hame !
Och awa' an' dinna talk pish

You sound like JL and I claim my plate of tapas

Morning btw fella

[Ozza]

It's almost like the resurrection of this thread is down to someone drunk booty texting their ex (Moyes) last night.

Sully?

[Gazmundo]

Sully?

I would imagine Moyes has blocked him as spam.

[Viv Stanshall]

You sound like JL and I claim my plate of tapas

Morning btw fella

My account has been hijacked

Morning

Or should that be Mourning

[Kermit]

You honestly need to stop with this.

It’s the third or fourth time I’ve seen it. I share your view that we should have kept hold of hold and that it was always likely to lose the momentum we had built, but the lack of coherence with JL isn’t on the fans. It’s David Sullivan.

Whilst I share your obvious dislike and mistrust of Sullivan I think we fans, as a collective, not individuals, have to accept that because of Sullivan's inability to provide strong leadership, have to accept some responsibility for the failed managerial appointment of Pellegrini and the , at present, unacceptable performances under Lopetegui.

My reasons for saying this are simple. Allardyce was replaced by Bilic in large part, I suspect, because of the fans base's antipathy towards a manager who was perceived as a negative manager and massively unpopular with the fans. Similar to when Moyes was replaced by Pellegrini, supposedly a more "attacking" manager. This despite in his last season Allardyce's team having been as high as third, I believe, around the time of the Christmas fixtures. Similarly Moyes was seen as something of a disciple of the Allardyce style of football. Again Sullivan reacted to the fan pressure and , at least imo, made an appointment with appeasement in mind.

Many fans on these forums witter on about the West Ham way, something which apparently Allardyce and Moyes both disrespected by paying no heed to. But I've supported the club for around half a century and for the life of me I haven't a bloody clue what the "West Ham way" is. In my supporting years I have had the pleaseure of watching the 1980/81 promotion season and our best ever season, yes for me even better than the Prague season,the 1985/86 team. I think most people who watched those teams will agree they were a damn good watch.

But the rest of my supporting years have been spent watching, in the main, bang average sides or worse. Granted therfe have been some fantastic individual moments, lit up by the likes of diCanio, Payet and Tevez to name 3. Occasionally I've had the enjoyment of watching emerging talent come through from the academy like Ferdiand, Lampard and the cream of the Youth Cup wimmers of 1999, Cole and Carrick. But the "West Ham way" still has me beaten.

But back to Sullivan. Appeasement, as history tells us, never works. Nor does weak leadership. And as a leader Sullivan is up there with the weakest. I'm sure a psychologist would unearth a deep seated desire to be loved and respected. But until he becomes part of our history and not the present we will continue, as we have always been in my time as a supporter, just here to make up the numbers.

[ironilunga]

He also left no foundation for anyone to build on.

I think Emerson and Paqueta have been strong signings. Kudus, Bowen and Alvarez (managed properly) were also a decent base from which Jules could work. There was also solid pros at the club such as Soucek, Coufal, JWP, Antonio, Fab, Areola.

Fornals, Keherer and Benrahma were flogged earlier this year with no replacement in January- is that Moyes or Tim?

[Ozza]

I think Emerson and Paqueta have been strong signings. Kudus, Bowen and Alvarez (managed properly) were also a decent base from which Jules could work. There was also solid pros at the club such as Soucek, Coufal, JWP, Antonio, Fab, Areola.

Fornals, Keherer and Benrahma were flogged earlier this year with no replacement in January- is that Moyes or Tim?

I think Chalks said it was neither and it was the chairman

[Viv Stanshall]

My reasons for saying this are simple. Allardyce was replaced by Pellegrini

[Ozza]

My account has been hijacked

Morning

Or should that be Mourning

Moaning

[Viv Stanshall]

Moaning

Here ? Never !

[EvilC]

I think Emerson and Paqueta have been strong signings. Kudus, Bowen and Alvarez (managed properly) were also a decent base from which Jules could work. There was also solid pros at the club such as Soucek, Coufal, JWP, Antonio, Fab, Areola.

Fornals, Keherer and Benrahma were flogged earlier this year with no replacement in January- is that Moyes or Tim?

He obviously has plenty of merits as a footballer but I really can’t see how Paqueta can be classed as a strong signing since he has been playing terribly since the betting charge and is unsellable until that happens. Emerson is meh.

[ironilunga]

He obviously has plenty of merits as a footballer but I really can’t see how Paqueta can be classed as a strong signing since he has been playing terribly since the betting charge.

For the most part I thought he was excellent under Moyes and his time with us is not defined by his form post the charges.

I like a maverick player and he fits that. He may well have been a stupid boy - let’s see.

Harsh on Emerson. Not sure what you expect for the 15mil we paid for him

[EastVillageHammer]

But back to Sullivan. Appeasement, as history tells us, never works. Nor does weak leadership. And as a leader Sullivan is up there with the weakest. I'm sure a psychologist would unearth a deep seated desire to be loved and respected. But until he becomes part of our history and not the present we will continue, as we have always been in my time as a supporter, just here to make up the numbers.

Fully agree with all of your post.

If Sullivan is truly listening to people bang on about the West Ham way above coherence and strategy then he’s even more of an idiot than I thought.

I think Moyes made mistakes in the transfer window - Aguerd, Vlasic. but ultimately went the way the rest of the managers because he couldn’t constantly deal with being given players that didn’t work for him. Benrahma. Scamacca etc.

I say this because I know for a fact how many times Moyes wanted player A - Maguire, Barnes, and he was given someone else instead - Mavrapanos, Kudus.

We don’t work because of Sullivan, his interference and his lack of leadership as you’ve said. But I don’t think it has anything to do with listening to the fans, and has everthing to do with listening to himself and whatever advisers he’s had on the pay roll since he came in.

He’ll leave this place a wealthier man for it, and we’ll have largely stayed in the same position, but with a crapper stadium, and increased frustration,

[Metal Hammer]

Again, because the replacement didn’t work out, that doesn’t mean that getting rid was a bad idea. And the replacement wasn’t chosen by the people that wanted to get rid.

Then the people that wanted rid should have paused from their shouting and stamping to think through what was likely to happen next given who owns the club and what had happened in the past. Sure we all would have liked to see the next Klopp etc walk through the doors but the Spanish Avram was always most likely.

[Ozza]

For the most part I thought he was excellent under Moyes and his time with us is not defined by his form post the charges.

I like a maverick player and he fits that. He may well have been a stupid boy - let’s see.

Harsh on Emerson. Not sure what you expect for the 15mil we paid for him

I thought Emerson was excellent last season, he’s getting woefully isolated this season in my view

[EvilC]

For the most part I thought he was excellent under Moyes and his time with us is not defined by his form post the charges.

I like a maverick player and he fits that. He may well have been a stupid boy - let’s see.

Harsh on Emerson. Not sure what you expect for the 15mil we paid for him

I expected kind of what we got. About £15m worth.

[Gazmundo]

Emerson was mostly good under the last bloke. Thought he was our best player in the cup final against Fiorentina. The decision to play him over Cresswell was at the time a surprise but turned out to be a masterstroke.