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Re: Welcome, Jarrod Bowen

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:14 pm

I agree Hammers92. Smith-Rowe is basically a better Mason Mount. an advanced central midfielder or number 10. He isn't a winger or inside forward like Bowen

He has also played every level for England since u16 so has been through the system as it were, whereas Bowen came up the hard knocks way

Bowen will get called up at some point as he is getting a lot of media attention now

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Post by steveyrockstar » Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:39 pm

All fair points/observations.

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Post by Vic_Watson » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:08 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:14 pm
Bowen will get called up at some point as he is getting a lot of media attention now
I saw it said that yesterday was his "audition" as Kl*pp fancies him. :furrow:

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Post by ereford ammer » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:27 pm

I hope he stays with us and ignores the german Gary Monk.

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Post by steveyrockstar » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:29 am

Sterling and Grealish have now withdrawn from the England squad, along with Mount and Henderson. Still no call-up for Bowen though. Conor Gallagher has been drafted into the squad for the San Marino game.

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Post by Albie Beck » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:45 am

Mr Waistcoat doesn't seem to rate people who haven't come up through the age groups.

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Post by paulhs1 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:50 am

Southgate cant ignore him forever. On course for 20+ goals and assists this season.

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Post by Denbighammer » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:02 pm

Albie Beck wrote:
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Mr Waistcoat doesn't seem to rate people who haven't come up through the age groups.
Saint Gareth also only picks the same old faces. A failing he shares with every other England boss since Sven. Look at Stones, long term injured, comes back, plays a few games for City - bosh straight back in the squad.

Still, Kane bagged a hatrick against The Albania Arms, so that's him in the side guaranteed for another 3 years.

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Post by hammers92 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:05 pm

Denbighammer wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:02 pm
Saint Gareth also only picks the same old faces. A failing he shares with every other England boss since Sven. Look at Stones, long term injured, comes back, plays a few games for City - bosh straight back in the squad.

Still, Kane bagged a hatrick against The Albania Arms, so that's him in the side guaranteed for another 3 years.
Stones went straight in because along with Maguire, they’re England’s best defenders. And it’s the same for Kane, when others want to make their case for starting ahead of them, they’re welcome to start playing consistently well.

Bowen can consider himself unlucky, if he carries this on to March he will be called up.

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Post by S-H » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm

Why should Bowen have to keep playing well until March, when he's been consistently performing for two years?

Rev Southgate's new favourite, Smith-Rowe, has only had a handful of good games in his entire, senior career, and gets a call up.

Gareth likes his newbies young.

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Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm

steveyrockstar wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:29 am
Sterling and Grealish have now withdrawn from the England squad, along with Mount and Henderson. Still no call-up for Bowen though. Conor Gallagher has been drafted into the squad for the San Marino game.
Hardly a shocker is it? Do you draft in the bloke that's been on his own running round his dad's turnip field for the last week or the one that's on the pitch next to you with the under 21 squad?

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Post by hammers92 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:12 pm

S-H wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm
Why should Bowen have to keep playing well until March, when he's been consistently performing for two years?

Rev Southgate's new favourite, Smith-Rowe, has only had a handful of good games in his entire, senior career, and gets a call up.

Gareth likes his newbies young.
I think he’s been a good player for us over the last two years but it’s only this season that he’s started to make a case for himself to play for England imo.

Like I said, he’s unlucky not to have been called up with the injuries.

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Post by S-H » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:13 pm

Danny's Dyer Acting wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:10 pm
Hardly a shocker is it? Do you draft in the bloke that's been on his own running round his dad's turnip field for the last week or the one that's on the pitch next to you with the under 21 squad?
How about selecting players on merit, now I understand Gallagher has been good for half a season in the Premier League, but Bowen has been consistent for two season now.

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Post by Albie Beck » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:17 pm

S-H wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:13 pm
How about selecting players on merit, now I understand Gallagher has been good for half a season in the Premier League, but Bowen has been consistent for two season now.
Quite. And as regards Kane's place - the auto-selection was likely a factor in Vardy calling time on his international career.

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Post by Billydinho » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:22 pm

I don't think Bowen is quite England standard. That being said, whilst sh*t like Bukayo Saka gets regular England call ups then he can feel quite hard done by.

I've never understood the fetish the FA has for average Arsenal players.

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Post by S-H » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:24 pm

Billydinho wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:22 pm
I don't think Bowen is quite England standard.
I'm kind of with you on that, but as you say, he's much better, and more deserving than the young, five-minute- wonders, Southgate salivates over..

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Post by e-20 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:53 pm

Billydinho wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:22 pm
I don't think Bowen is quite England standard. That being said, whilst sh*t like Bukayo Saka gets regular England call ups then he can feel quite hard done by.

I've never understood the fetish the FA has for average Arsenal players.
Bit like Middlesex in cricket they have far more influence than their status on the pitch deserves, there’s an establishment whiff around them both that really defies any modern logic. Players and officials get promotions that similar standard elsewhere rarely gains you anything similar.

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Post by stu1 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:02 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:14 pm
Smith-Rowe is basically a better Mason Mount. an advanced central midfielder or number 10.
That’s a big shout.

Mount was Chelsea’s player of the season last year, ESR has a way to go to prove he’s better than Mount.

As for Bowen, I’m also not sure he’s quite good enough for England. He’s perfect for us in large part to his work rate and endeavour, but I’m not sure his end product is quite at the level expected of England.

I can completely understand why Southgate hasn’t picked him as he’s probably competing for a space in England’s strongest position.

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Post by funky chicken » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:10 pm

If Jarrod Bowen is good enough for the team that is currently joint 2nd in the Premier League, why can’t he be ‘England standard’?

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Post by prophet:marginal » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:19 pm

His values are

(a) adaptability, and
(b) basic accuracy in his shooting.

For us, coming from a position in a Hull team where he was clearly dragging them along with an incredible strike rate, he has provided 2 solid seasons of defensive assistance and tactical awareness.

He's also getting close to Fornals' level of get, keep, give activity that means we retain possession as we are crossing over the halfway line and looking for runners into space.

I hate to say this, but the team that he would most easily take his skills is Liverpool, as Salah's understudy. He could fit into that trident form of attacking play they have.

As for England, I truly feel that Southgate is spoilt for choice already in the areas where this player will shine for his club. However, if, sake of argument, Bowen and Sterling had played off Kane against Albania at the beginning of this weekend, he would not have looked out of place.

Perhaps our tactic of playing him so he can cut in onto his left, from the right, makes him a strange-shaped peg for the hole Southgate will want to fill.

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