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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:13 pm The Rwanda plan isn't about processing applications. It's sending them there permanently.
Because it is believed they are illegal entrants. A lot of people who enter this country , or all the other countries that are having similar issues elsewhere in the world, will fall into that category.

But if they do, and they are moved on to Rwanda (or wherever - Peru, Bolivia, New Zealand), then they cease to be a source of work for the UK civil service and all the various hangers on in these processes.

The government is then:

a) Injecting money and jobs into the economies of poor countries to help them grow and thrive;
b) Finding a way to cut the cost of running the state at home;

If this principle is established, then it opens up opportunities to have local council parking permits processed in the Sudan, Child Benefit in Afghanistan, over 60s bus passes in Bolivia and so on.

It is the 'internationalist', 'citizen of the world' extension of a policy of relocating loads of 1980s civil service jobs to unemployment blackspots in the UK.
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But there is nothing to stop us having a processing centre in the UK, Bubbs. Essentially we already have one in Folkestone. But it's **** and expensive and one of the key issues is about making sure that these applications are processed correctly. Make a decent processing centre in Thanet if you like. It's massive and pretty bare right now. There is a massive lack of work for people and there is loads of space. It's right on the coastline as well and could be used to house thousands. But the processing should not just be about the UK, it should be a global one. Kind of like UCAS where you apply for your top 5 countries and you get allocated based on your demands etc. Maybe you'll get the UK because you have family in London, but then maybe London is full and you have an aunt in Dusseldorf so you can go there. It's a process. But the money does not just come from the UK, it comes from the world's pot. And the processing is not just about the UK it's Europe wide. So that the points that are made on these pages are understood and that hopefully there is a more sensible process as opposed to go on sheer blind luck and fear of where you might end up.

I want all reefugees to be safe, but I also want THE WORLD to ensure that they are all doing their bit to help - both financially and physically.

Of course it's not a perfect system, but it's the best I can think of.
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Se good posts there. Very interesting approaches (better than what I've seen our government come up with).

Well if it also helps curb the rise of Albanian/Turkish organised crime gangs in the UK, then it would be an extra direct benefit to us.

You can't knock someome wanting better for themselves or their family. If we can cater for it and they are likely to be a productive member of society rather than adding to our deficit, then a more organised and lateral approach across the continent as a whole is the way forward.
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likemydreams wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:53 pm
What is it with racists and capital letters and **** spelling? A twitter thread full of knuckle dragging, dog whistling bile.
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So there's an influx of Albanian economic migrants, and the NFU are crying out for seasonal Labour (for which there is usually plenty of temporary accommodation on site)....... :?
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Tricky stuff this when you can't just call the person asking questions a hummus slurping woke socialist remoaner.

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A staggering admission/claim from Braverman re: claim processing.

"Ms Braverman told the committee that, on average, each staff member was deciding one asylum case per week at present."

That's about 37/38 hours to make one decision.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:41 am Tricky stuff this when you can't just call the person asking questions a hummus slurping woke socialist remoaner.
Let me give it a try:

Compared to Jacob Rees Mogg, Tim Loughton is a hummus slurping woke socialist remoaner......

You never said it had to be accurate.. 8-)

Saying that, looking at his record over this issue it looks like the reason he put her on the spot is because he's after her job........

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10371 ... olicy=1087
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delbert wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:41 pm Let me give it a try:

Compared to Jacob Rees Mogg, Tim Loughton is a hummus slurping woke socialist remoaner......

You never said it had to be accurate.. 8-)

Saying that, looking at his record over this issue it looks like the reason he put her on the spot is because he's after her job........

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10371 ... olicy=1087
But focusing on the actual issue the only route open for people to seek asylum here in the UK is to get here then put in a form .. so for many the only way to get here is via dingy because the gov has failed to set up a safe route.

Thus proving once more this governments failures
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mumbles87 wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:45 pm failed to set up a safe route.
From France?
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:14 am From France?
Did you watch the video? If they can't get permission to enter the country because no schemes are open..how do they seek asylum?

Well they fill in a form if they can get here.

So when they arrive in boats they are entitled to fill in a form.
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mumbles87 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:28 pm Did you watch the video? If they can't get permission to enter the country because no schemes are open..how do they seek asylum?

Well they fill in a form if they can get here.

So when they arrive in boats they are entitled to fill in a form.
Why do they need a safe route from France though?
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:34 pm Why do they need a safe route from France though?
Because they want to claim asylum here, as is their right. As it would be yours to avoid Wales and rock up in Dublin, New York, Addis Ababa or Ulan Bator should the need arise,
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:34 pm Why do they need a safe route from France though?
Why wouldn't they? If they want to seek asylum here because they are fleeing war etc why shouldn't there be a scheme open to them?

We can't help where we are born and what we are lucky to be British and our only problem is a corrupt government so we should stuff the rest ?
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mumbles87 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:56 pm Why wouldn't they? If they want to seek asylum here because they are fleeing war etc why shouldn't there be a scheme open to them?

We can't help where we are born and what we are lucky to be British and our only problem is a corrupt government so we should stuff the rest ?
There are schemes, just not one for fictional kids in unnamed African countries. As an aside, do other countries in Europe offer safe routes?

True, we are lucky to be born in this green and pleasant land. Given our existing population density then in a hundred years time will our descendants (and those of current immigrants) be able to say likewise?
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delbert wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:40 pm There are schemes, just not one for fictional kids in unnamed African countries. As an aside, do other countries in Europe offer safe routes?

True, we are lucky to be born in this green and pleasant land. Given our existing population density then in a hundred years time will our descendants (and those of current immigrants) be able to say likewise?
I thought the population was decreasing and needed replenishing? And yes, I know you didn't say that...
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To be honest mate, I'd rather it decreased a tad, I'm assuming they'd be a downside, but what would that be?
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mumbles87 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:56 pm Why wouldn't they? If they want to seek asylum here because they are fleeing war etc why shouldn't there be a scheme open to them?

We can't help where we are born and what we are lucky to be British and our only problem is a corrupt government so we should stuff the rest ?
France is a safe country. There is no war in Albania at present yet they are the highest nationality crossing the channel. There is a route for afghans but they are second highest.

If you are so concerned for your safety that you make the journey and end up in a safe and democratic country to then decide your safety isn't that important and risk crossing the channel just seems odd to me. It feels not about safety as a specific aim, more a desire to emigrate than be safe. There's nothing at all wrong with that but it's a different conversation.

1m people came last year. To work, to study and for safety. They came from a myriad of countries using the systems in place. I'd say we are far from stuffing the rest.
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