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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 37159.html
Announced last August, the Afghan citizens’ resettlement scheme (ACRS) aimed to resettle 5,000 Afghans in the first year, and up to 20,000 over five years.

But while 6,314 refugees who are already in the UK have been granted indefinite leave to remain, only 4 people who fled Afghanistan after the Taliban takeover have been resettled.
4 people from a scheme that was supposed to help up to 5,000. That's why people risk their lives on boats.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:12 am 4 people from a scheme that was supposed to help up to 5,000. That's why people risk their lives on boats.
Because of the delay? There will be a delay here too.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:08 pm Because of the delay? There will be a delay here too.
There are two schemes the govt will point to when they're called out on not having ways for people to apply for refugee status before reaching the UK. One of them might reach 0.1% capacity this year.

That's not good enough is it?
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Is there any data for the equivalent in the countries that are passed through to get here?

Is the requirement in France a lot more stringent, which causes people to not claim asylum there but instead risk their life via the Channel?
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From the article:
The UNHCR have to do a refugee assessment in each case, if they are not even speeding up this process then they are not going to make a referral to the Home Office.

“We know the crisis that this is causing – a large proportion of those arriving illegally are Afghans. What can you do if there is no legal route?”

Dr Neelam Raina, an academic who has supported refugees who have been forced to flee Afghanistan, said: “ACRS is only pretending to exist”.

“It’s an unequal opaque system which is just virtue-signalling,” she said, adding that there was no clarity on how to access the resettlement scheme.

She added that the UNHCR in Pakistan is “struggling to cope with the huge numbers of people from Afghanistan”.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “The UK has made one of the largest commitments to support Afghanistan of any country and, so far, we have brought more than 22,800 vulnerable Afghans to safety.

“However, the situation is complex and presents us with significant challenges, including safe passage out of the country for those who want to leave and who are eligible for resettlement in the UK.”
It seems like here the government is getting the blame for something that's the fault of the UNHCR.......
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chelmsfordhammer91 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:29 pm Is there any data for the equivalent in the countries that are passed through to get here?

Is the requirement in France a lot more stringent, which causes people to not claim asylum there but instead risk their life via the Channel?
In 2021, there were 48,540 asylum applications in the UK. There were 89,354 in France.

Not sure what that really points to given the size/population differentials. But clearly plenty of people are applying for asylum in France as well.
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Turns to Stone wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:24 pm In 2021, there were 48,540 asylum applications in the UK. There were 89,354 in France.

Not sure what that really points to given the size/population differentials. But clearly plenty of people are applying for asylum in France as well.
France accepts 2% of Albanians - we accept 55%.

There is a suggestion that many parts of our asylum system are - like so many other failing institutions and ideas - relics of the mid 20th century and not fit for purpose in this day and age.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:53 pm France accepts 2% of Albanians - we accept 55%.
And if you break that 55% down then a large number are women and children who have been trafficked to this country.

Our acceptance rate for Albanian men is about the same as France's rate.
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MB wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:57 pm And if you break that 55% down then a large number are women and children who have been trafficked to this country.

Our acceptance rate for Albanian men is about the same as France's rate.
It's a safe country, so their genitalia and age is irrelevant
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delbert wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:42 pm It seems like here the government is getting the blame for something that's the fault of the UNHCR.......
There are thousands who helped us while we were there who do not need refugee status and their applications have not been processed.

We left them there to be rounded up and tortured.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:58 pm It's a safe country, so their genitalia and age is irrelevant
And that's why I cannot discuss things in these threads. Have a good evening.
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MB wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:00 pm There are thousands who helped us while we were there who do not need refugee status and their applications have not been processed.

We left them there to be rounded up and tortured.
We've taken thousands. Many were put up in Stansted and Stortford in the summer.
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If anyone thinks this problem is going to be solved anytime soon they are in for a rude awakening.

Having spent the last few days in Brussels and Luxembourg I can comfortably claim that what has been seen over the summer is only the tip of the iceberg. Luxembourg in particular is a city where I have never, in 20 years of visiting, seen people sleeping on the street let alone the numbers of refugees who are now setting up 'cardboard cities' seen in many other European cities (but not London).

It's a humanitarian disaster happening in front of our eyes. It's 1 degree outside my Brussels hotel right now and there are hundreds of people (men, women and children) bedding down in sleeping bags surrounded by cardboard boxes to try to stay warm. An absolute ****ing disgrace. It's well within the powers of the the governments of some of the richest countries in the world to sort this out. But it doesn't win votes so they'll continue to blame refugees and migrants for all our ills.

f*** them all and the vote grabbing bandwagon they rode in on.
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I read about the situation in Brussels a while back, and the EU is on track for about one million applications this year. It's only our absence from the EU that means we aren't pulled into the conversation, or their in-fighting and game of pass the parcel, which is rife.

There are many places in this world (incl. Europe) that could comfortably accommodate many more people...but they won't.

People are prone to criticise Britain (especially England) and they shouldn't. Britain is one of the more densely populated patches of land in Europe and the world. We have welcomed nearly 10 million extra people - 15% more people - in a generation. Mostly in England. Others have not.

Others simply aren't pulling their weight.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:53 pm I read about the situation in Brussels a while back, and the EU is on track for about one million applications this year. It's only our absence from the EU that means we aren't pulled into the conversation, or their in-fighting and game of pass the parcel, which is rife.

There are many places in this world (incl. Europe) that could comfortably accommodate many more people...but they won't.

People are prone to criticise Britain (especially England) and they shouldn't. Britain is one of the more densely populated patches of land in Europe and the world. We have welcomed nearly 10 million extra people - 15% more people - in a generation. Mostly in England. Others have not.

Others simply aren't pulling their weight.
10 million migrants?
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The population is up 10 million.

Others have nothing of the sort, nor do they have the population density.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:35 pm The population is up 10 million.

Others have nothing of the sort, nor do they have the population density.
As a comparison the UK has population density of over double (2.36 to 1) to that of France. In fact all of France’ nothern european adjoining neighbours and Italy have a population density that doubles or more than that of France. If France actually took its fair share it would make life much more comfortable a) for its neighbours and for immigrants.
We shouldn’t be lectured to by France or anyone else on immigration by using any other metric other than population density. This is where it affects the existing population most. It’s all well and good saying France took in the equivalent number as say Holland but that has a much worse effect on a small country than that of the size of France.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:19 pm There are two schemes the govt will point to when they're called out on not having ways for people to apply for refugee status before reaching the UK. One of them might reach 0.1% capacity this year.

That's not good enough is it?
Why is it at that level? The article indicates the UNHCR aren't processing people having put their own checks in place. If nobody is getting as far as our scheme is that down to the scheme?
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Crude population density measurement methods don't give a relatable like for like number when trying to compare countries. A much more nuanced way of looking at it was published here

https://citymonitor.ai/environment/thes ... urope-3625

Norway, Iceland and Finland have the lowest density in Europe based on crude population per square Km calculations. That doesn't mean they don't like people living there, it means huge swathes of the landscape are not suited for people to live in.
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Of course, this is why I referenced comparable neighbouring countries to France. The countries you have highlighted have large mountainous areas within or close to the arctic circle or are volcanic !
In reference to France, huge swathes of French countryside are entirely habitable as they are in neighbouring nations Germany, Uk, Belgium, Netherlands etc... Even Switzerland a mostly stark alpine nation has a higher population density than the French.
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