Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:37 am
If you get a red in the final week of the Prem season, are you banned for Week 1 of the next season? And even so, that's the same competition. UEL and UECL, although under the same umbrella, are different competitions in different seasons.
Do you remember this? QPR looking and loaning joey Barton to a lower league club to quickly serve his ban?
Ie lower league club would play 12 games in the time premier league clubs play less.
One thing i have learnt from KUMB is that there are certain people who are like a dog with a bone when it comes to players they don't like.
You get all sorts of totally unfounded and ridiculous claims against that player and it is often incessant to the point of obsession and is usually coupled with an inability to give credit when they play well.
I've never held cresswell as the weak link our team and trying to put the european exit upon solely his shoulders is frankly ridiculous.
So no responsibility on fornals who lost his man in the first match or johnson his to both concede goals.
And had cresswell not been the last man in the second match, i'm sure someone else would have been caught out instead.
But had it been the two i just mentioned then no doubt cresswell would still have been blamed somehow!
yes he's getting on and needs replacing but personally i'd be just as happy if he were still our first choice this season and second choice next. But that's solely down to age, nothing else.
kitthehammer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:24 pm
yes he's getting on and needs replacing but personally i'd be just as happy if he were still our first choice this season and second choice next. But that's solely down to age, nothing else.
Why was Fornals having to battle for a backpost header in the first 60 seconds of the game?
It's funny that you have a pop against posters accusing them of unfounded and ridiculous claims, and then go and try and shift it onto other players.
There really isn't a conspiracy against Cresswell where people want to hate him. He gets criticised more than most of our players now because he is among our weakest starters now. He got sent off twice in two of the biggest games in his career.
You probably should hold Cresswell as the weak link in our team. Many of our opponents do.
Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:14 pmWhy was Fornals having to battle for a backpost header in the first 60 seconds of the game?
It's funny that you have a pop against posters accusing them of unfounded and ridiculous claims, and then go and try and shift it onto other players.
There really isn't a conspiracy against Cresswell where people want to hate him. He gets criticised more than most of our players now because he is among our weakest starters now. He got sent off twice in two of the biggest games in his career.
You probably should hold Cresswell as the weak link in our team. Many of our opponents do.
Because the ball was played to the player that he was responsible for marking. Had it gone to the 29 that Cresswell was responsible for then you'd have a point.
(in that image Cresswell has stepped back from his man hoping to be able to cut out the cross)
Rewatching that for the first time in ages actually, at no point is the guy who scores Cresswell's man. He's staying tight to that number 29 who was playing off the striker and Fornals has covered the scorer's run from pretty much the halfway line to where they end up. The only way Cresswell has an impact there is if he goes 10 yards wider to help Fornals and leaves a man completely free on the edge of the box.
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No one hates Cresswell. Some of us just don’t think he’s that good at football, and that there are (attainable) LBs out there who would add more value to our team.
Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:38 pm
Because the ball was played to the player that he was responsible for marking. Had it gone to the 29 that Cresswell was responsible for then you'd have a point.
Rewatching that for the first time in ages actually, at no point is the guy who scores Cresswell's man. He's staying tight to that number 29 who was playing off the striker and Fornals has covered the scorer's run from pretty much the halfway line to where they end up. The only way Cresswell has an impact there is if he goes 10 yards wider to help Fornals and leaves a man completely free on the edge of the box.
No, you've missed my point.
Why was Fornals even playing in that position? Why did we try to match them up instead of use our own trusted formation that had taken us so far?
chalks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:39 pm
There is and it’s foolish to suggest otherwise
What do you mean foolish?
Why on earth would people want to dislike Cresswell or want him to be bad? Genuinely.
Was there a conspiracy against Nobes as well? Sometimes players just age, struggle and aren't the player they used to be. Unfortunately sometimes it happens to players that used to be good and have been well-liked players over the years. It is what it is. There doesn't need to be something more to it when it's pointed out.
Aztec Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:38 pm
No, you've missed my point.
Why was Fornals even playing in that position? Why did we try to match them up instead of use our own trusted formation that had taken us so far?
I don't think it's anything to do with a formation.
Johnson has his wide man, Dawson steps out to the ball carrier*, Zouma and Cresswell both have to come across one position. That naturally leaves Fornals to defend anything on the left wing.
*that's the issue for me and exactly what Frankfurt were looking to do.
HammerAl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:47 pm
No one hates Cresswell. Some of us just don’t think he’s that good at football, and that there are (attainable) LBs out there who would add more value to our team.
There are just as many that show supreme loyalty to him and defend him no matter what than those that criticise him for playing poorly, making mistake or just flat out not being good enough. If a player that came in last summer played like him there wouldn’t be half the people defending him
Seems like a likeable lad and nobody personally hates him, it’s just patently clear that he’s not good enough for us anymore. Anybody that doesn’t think he’s a weak link must be watching a different game to the rest of us
It’s been said before this same debate happened with Noble at a certain stage. Sometimes it takes a superior replacement to come in to make people realise and i’m certain that will happen again should we bring a half decent LB in
HammerAl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:47 pm
No one hates Cresswell. Some of us just don’t think he’s that good at football, and that there are (attainable) LBs out there who would add more value to our team.
HammerAl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:47 pm
No one hates Cresswell. Some of us just don’t think he’s that good at football, and that there are (attainable) LBs out there who would add more value to our team.
At times, he's got a wand of a left foot and he aint a bad defender either. But not good at football? Nah not even close to the truth.
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Colours never run wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:13 am
But not good at football? Nah not even close to the truth.
Not being good enough now, does not mean he hasn’t been good enough in previous years. I’m not sure why people seem to think wanting him replaced this season means ****ting all over the years of good service he has given this club.
Age catches up with every professional footballer eventually. Although I’m not sure it’ll catch Zlatan to be fair.
Colours never run wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:47 am
10 goals, 35 assists in 295 WHU appearances mostly in the Prem as a Left Back.
Causes at least 5 opposing goals EACH SEASON mostly in the Prem as a Left Back.
This guy can not defend, and he is far too slow for ther Premier League.
Cress is a good dead ball servant and can put some nice crosses into the box....but THAT`S ALL! There is nothing more, and this is too little to justify a place in a Premier League starting eleven.
Not good at football? That's a strange criticism. I'd understand the argument that he's been poor defensively, but as a footballer he's better than the rest of our defence. In terms of build up play, we miss him a lot when he's injured.
Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:38 pm
Because the ball was played to the player that he was responsible for marking. Had it gone to the 29 that Cresswell was responsible for then you'd have a point.
(in that image Cresswell has stepped back from his man hoping to be able to cut out the cross)
Rewatching that for the first time in ages actually, at no point is the guy who scores Cresswell's man. He's staying tight to that number 29 who was playing off the striker and Fornals has covered the scorer's run from pretty much the halfway line to where they end up. The only way Cresswell has an impact there is if he goes 10 yards wider to help Fornals and leaves a man completely free on the edge of the box.
What that photo shows is we were all over the place at the back tbf. Zouma and Cresswell both need to shift over.
The biggest mistake Moyes has made since he came here was switching to that hybrid five at the back with Fornals at LWB which we played quite a bit towards end of last season.
As for Cresswell, not good enough defensively or going forward with the ball to be starting LB with a team with top half aspirations. If he could do one of those elements very well you could let him off the other, but he can't
He fits a Moyes team down to a tee though which is why he is still in the team