Jesse Lingard

[Rays Rock]

With Benrhama making some good strides in development it may have actually been a shame to see that progress held back with a return of Lingard. If Vlasic becomes even a mild success I can’t see us use funds to buy a 30 y/o lingard in a position that we are already well served in. Due to what would be hid high wage demand, I’d like to think that money would now be better used on diverting that money toward a striker.
To say that he did well for us is an understatement, but we also have to recognise that he did tail off in the final few games. So let’s not kid ourselves that he would be great for 38 league games. If he were that good he would equally be playing in Man Utds 1st 11 or have plenty of offers from all over the place. I can’t see him getting a new contract at Man Utd so there’s a chance he’ll move to Someone like Everton /Villa/Leicester.

[El brooko79]

Did he play much under Jose?
Could sign for him on a free in jan right?

Don't think you can sign a pre contract with a club in the same country in Jan. Think you wait till July.
Could sign for Spanish club for example.

If he has not signed a new contract by Jan suppose he has to be sold. Otherwise you have a player not only leaving but not wanting to get injured before they get a long term contract.

FWIW, I think that Man U squad seriously lacks depth. James gone, Mata is getting on, VDB seems either further behind the queue.

Lingard will get decent minutes once the busy schedule starts.

[westlondonhammer]

A tinge of disappointment Lingard didn't sign... but the money Man U were talking was never going to work. Doesn't detract from the great business we've done in the window.

He'll be a target next summer I'm sure if he doesn't sign a new deal.

[Clacton-ammer]

FWIW, I think that Man U squad seriously lacks depth. James gone, Mata is getting on, VDB seems either further behind the queue.

Lingard will get decent minutes once the busy schedule starts.

I don't agree on squad depth for attacking players, middle of the park I agree fully, in fact we have better CM pairing than them and that may well cost them over the season.

As for playing minutes I think Lingard is well down the list for PL, probably FA/Carab cup, some CL games against the lesser sides. I personally don't think OGS rates him that highly, but that's just my view. Pretty sure Lingard next season will be at a new team.

[*dicanio*]

If Man Utd had no use for him, they would have lowered his fee and he would be gone: they obviously see his versatility and skill set and good dressing room presence as major plus points and ultimately must have been happy to keep him. He’ll get good minutes there no doubt.

[sendô]

He'll never play for us again, but that's not really the fault of either West Ham or Lingard, but Man Utd with their unrealistic valuation.

He only needs to sit tight until January and he could probably move on then, but I highly doubt it would be to us unless he is willing to give up a potential bumper payday by signing on a free for someone else. Everton in particular seem to like paying older players ridiculous sums of money.

Good luck to him wherever he ends up. He was great for us whilst he was here, gave his all, was a popular part of the team and behaved professionally at all times.

[YorksHammer]

he's done what anyone would, sit tight for the next 7 or so months so that he can then leave the club on a free with a massive contract

man utd have probably already offered him an extension, maybe even a pay increase, but as if he is going to sign that when he can get a much better contract with a club that doesn't have to pay a transfer fee

And this is the thing - I don't think it's *just* Lingard holding out for a higher contract, but if he has done that in the hopes of getting a better contract and we rock up to his door to just meet those demands he's taken us for mugs.

Also makes a mockery of his 'I just want to play football wah wah wah' statements. Unless he's pissed it all up the wall on buying specialist parrots or whatever, he should have easily made enough money while at Man United to not need to seek out a bumper pay deal.

Let him go to Everton or whatever.

[Chicken Run Supreme]

Good luck to him wherever he ends up. He was great for us whilst he was here, gave his all, was a popular part of the team and behaved professionally at all times.

Agree completely.

[Aztec Hammer]

10 goals in 3 games. I don’t think we need him nearly as much as we do Antonio, but it will likely be smart for all sides if he joins in January, when Said leaves for ACON.

[Puncher12]

Hopefully we go back for him and get him on a free when his contract expires.


Love the fact Utd fans were pretty much begging for us to take him instead of Vlasic, forgetting the fact Lingard clearly wants to prove himself at Utd, if he was clamouring for the move to us it's a different story.

[Johnzo]

Jesse's form for us was much more than a 'purple patch' as some are referring to.

In his 16 games for us provided 13 g/a. He was the most in form player in the country from February onwards & its a huge blow for us this season not to still have him.

If Vlasic can get half those numbers hed of had an impressive season.

[S-H]

He was the most in form player in the country from February onwards & its a huge blow for us this season not to still have him.

His form definitely dropped off towards the end of the season.

A bit dramatic to call it a huge blow, for us not to still have him.

[Alf Garnett's (Ex) Missus]

Jesse's form for us was much more than a 'purple patch' as some are referring to.

In his 16 games for us provided 13 g/a. He was the most in form player in the country from February onwards & its a huge blow for us this season not to still have him.

If Vlasic can get half those numbers hed of had an impressive season.

But what about his numbers before he was busting a gut to impress Gareth and OGS?

[Clacton-ammer]

But what about his numbers before he was busting a gut to impress Gareth and OGS?

You mean at Man U? As for us if my memory serves me right he hit the floor with us at 100mph, he did though drop off towards the end.

[Alf Garnett's (Ex) Missus]

You mean at Man U? As for us if my memory serves me right he hit the floor with us at 100mph, he did though drop off towards the end.

Well according to Premierleague.com

150 career games - 27 goals - goals per game 0.18

The season with us

16 games - 9 goals - goals per game 0.58

So in roughly 10% of his career games he scored a third of his goals

Is this us being better set up for him to be successful or was he trying harder and may never recreate that environment?

[Clacton-ammer]

oh, got you, yes, his stats are not the best overall are they.

I think Lingard needs to be loved or have that feeling of a bigger fish, which he had certainly as a bigger fish, the "fondness" came soon after from most of us.

[BondsoBob]

I wouldn't really call him an idiot. His missus left him for Jason Derulo and there's a child involved. I don't think you can really dismiss whatever issues he has regarding that. Footballers have stuff going on in there lives apart from football.

He was absolutely mustard for us last season, by all accounts trained brilliant and applied himself on the pitch.

Hes shown loyalty to the club he's been at for 20 years, really we should be applauding that.

Top banana, I'd love him back at some point.

Agree with much of that. I think we're all guilty of sometimes forgetting that they have other things, sometimes not good things, going on in their lives that will affect their career decisions.
(Of course they get paid bucket loads of money that most of us can only dream of, but there are always going to be situations where money perhaps doesn't mean a great deal.)

[MB]

Is this us being better set up for him to be successful or was he trying harder and may never recreate that environment?

A bit of both I imagine. He was clearly fired up to get to the Euros, but equally would have faced plenty of teams in a low block at Man Utd which does not play to his strengths whereas teams (stupidly) attack us leaving plenty of space for him to run into.

I imagine it would have settled somewhere nearer his average if he spent longer with us, maybe slightly higher given the tactical difference and assuming he stayed motivated.

It was one of those perfect storms like Tevez in the Great Escape where a player can suddenly do no wrong.

[EMI]

I can't see him going anywhere till his contract is up, he'll sign a pre-contract with a club abroad in January.

His last significant body of work was with us and was exceptional, he'll have a bit part at Man U all season, but not a lot.

He want's his next contract to be based on the work he did for us last season, why risk playing averagely every week and reducing his value.

Good luck to him, he was just what we needed last year, would like to have seen him back, but not at the money they were asking for.

[asters89]

Lingard has earned a lot of goodwill from West Ham fans with his performances and his attitude last season. I'm not going to start slagging him off because he wants to stay and fight for a place at his childhood club. I think that reflects well on him to be fair.

I think I'm more confused about how the man united hierarchy have treated the situation. Ole given it the biggun about how Lingard is in his plans having pretty much bombed him out last season, and he can't be any higher up the pecking order with Sancho and Ronaldo coming in. Even with Dan James leaving.

Woodward also probably thought Moyes was tunnel-visioned about getting Lingard back and wacked up the price as much as he thought he could milk from us, only to have Moyes pull the rug out from under him by going for Vlasic. If our offer was £15m (with say 5m a year in wages), I can't see Man united extracting £20m worth of value from him before the end of the year and his contract being up so my view is that they've probably overplayed their hand with this one.

Now I could be wrong and Lingard could get a load of game time this year, and to be fair I would be pleased for him if he did, which would make everything I've said a bit of a nonsense. But it would be a real shame if he ends up just bench warming and getting 2-3 minutes and the end of games here and there when there was potentially a good deal to be done on all sites.



Edit: did a bit more digging. Ole took over in December 2018. So taking 19/20 as the first full season, Lingard made 22 prem appearances (more than I thought) but only 932 minutes so more or less equivalent to 10 full games. In 20/21 he didn't appear for Man United in the league at all.