It’s because he knows loads more about football than people on the internet
Gareth Southgate.
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He's given me England in a final and my greatest ever night at the Boleyn, when he missed that penalty for Aston Villa.
Can't fault him, really. And the redemption angle is pure sporting poetry.
Can't fault him, really. And the redemption angle is pure sporting poetry.
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Not sure. A lot of people on this forum alone would have a lot of knowledge, understanding and ideas about the game, they just don’t get to show it at the level he does.
I don’t particularly like his style of play, the starting lineups and I also think his subs are a bit strange. I know you can only beat what’s in front of you but he had a very nice group and the easy side of the draw.
Again, I’m very happy he’s doing well, but I don’t think England are in the final because of him.
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Will never know that, but we do know that he’s created a spirit and pride upon which it is built.
But then what do I know? I’m an unpatriotic **** for questioning a dive.
But then what do I know? I’m an unpatriotic **** for questioning a dive.
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Sir Bobby was a great coach and a great man. Gareth seems like an FA toady. He certainly never got the job due to his excellence in management.
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Toady? Very much his own man and his own team.
If he was from Lanarkshire you’d be going on about pragmatism and nouse.
If he was from Lanarkshire you’d be going on about pragmatism and nouse.
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A yes man wouldn’t have a midfield with players from Leeds, West Ham and Villa in it. Or an understudy striker from Everton, or a fourth CB from Wolves. Or keepers from WBA and Sheffield United on the bench. Or, in the previous four years drop Wayne Rooney, Joe Hart, Chris Smalling etc.
You can’t look at the job of work He has done, without acknowledging his major contribution.
You can’t look at the job of work He has done, without acknowledging his major contribution.
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Maybe, but if he was from Lanarkshire he would never be England manager :lol: :lol:Doc H Ball wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:57 am Toady? Very much his own man and his own team.
If he was from Lanarkshire you’d be going on about pragmatism and nouse.
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There's a lot of people on this forum who owe the man a written apology.(SH, Wormley etc)
Now then, LOOKING BACK ON WHEN WE FIRST MET.....
Now then, LOOKING BACK ON WHEN WE FIRST MET.....
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I do not know about that. I think managers, whether they have done well or not, have always selected who they thought were the best players were.Het-Field wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:07 am A yes man wouldn’t have a midfield with players from Leeds, West Ham and Villa in it. Or an understudy striker from Everton, or a fourth CB from Wolves. Or keepers from WBA and Sheffield United on the bench. Or, in the previous four years drop Wayne Rooney, Joe Hart, Chris Smalling etc.
You can’t look at the job of work He has done, without acknowledging his major contribution.
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England & West Ham United supporters get 2 managers. Or 1 if it’s Ron Greenwood.
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Here in one blindingly self serving post ladies and gentlemen we have the modern football forum bias in full effect. Every conceivable fact supports Southgate as a genuinely brave, tactically astute, an effective leader, and motivational international manager and coach on the verge of greatness, yet we are asked to believe that England are in the final not because of him, beggars belief really.HammerAl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:48 am Not sure. A lot of people on this forum alone would have a lot of knowledge, understanding and ideas about the game, they just don’t get to show it at the level he does.
I don’t particularly like his style of play, the starting lineups and I also think his subs are a bit strange. I know you can only beat what’s in front of you but he had a very nice group and the easy side of the draw.
Again, I’m very happy he’s doing well, but I don’t think England are in the final because of him.
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Never really understood the Bobby Robson idolisation as a national manager
World Cup 90 was a good crack at the semi final stage but we hardly set the world on fire up to that ppint
I have been critical of Southgate in terms of his cautious tactics but not his squad selection which has always been pretty much spot on
Southgate has achieved far more than Bobby Robson did for England
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That's complete nonsense, our greatest, Sir Alf said this to Jack Charlton when Jack reasonably asked why Alf picked him over more talented defenders " I don't always pick the best players, I pick the best team". Robson had his arse saved twice by fate when Brian Robson hobbled out of Mexico '86 and Italia '90 and was replaced by players who gave the team better balance and moved the focus away from Robson's game and on to exploiting Lineker's blistering pace and predatory instincts, Robson was fixated on Brian Robson as his "world class" player and had the team built around that belief. And to further illustrate the point, when Brian Robson did remain fit for Bobby Robson at Euro '88 we lost every game and Robson (R) was a dead man walking by the time of Italia '90 as his contract was not renewed.Ironing Board wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:12 am I do not know about that. I think managers, whether they have done well or not, have always selected who they thought were the best players were.
There's far more to managing a football team than picking the best players.
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1990 is seen as Robson's crowning glory as England manager. We won one game in 90 minutes and even that in isolation was a pretty poor result. The Cameroon result would be used as a stick to beat Southgate with if it happened now. A late equaliser, extra time and 2 penalties to beat a team far below us in quality.
I know it's better getting to a semi than a quarter but I wonder if the '86 tournament is actually better. Easily dispatched of the group and only beaten by a moment of genius and a moment of scumbaggery by the eventual winners.
I know it's better getting to a semi than a quarter but I wonder if the '86 tournament is actually better. Easily dispatched of the group and only beaten by a moment of genius and a moment of scumbaggery by the eventual winners.
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If Southgate had listened to 'opinions' he wouldn't have picked Pickford or Sterling and dropped Kane after the second group game. That would have been smart wouldn't it?
We are not in the final just because of him, but we are there because of what he has created with this squad.
We are not in the final just because of him, but we are there because of what he has created with this squad.
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Agree that, big shout out to his staff as well, particularly Hollins, I think his football knowledge has helped GS out hugely, but it's the "team" and spirit GS has created is what I find so special, and what I believe has got us to this final - along with some very talented players. Think it's more than fair to give a huge nod to the FA for St Georges Park, without that we arguably wouldn't be the team we are today and the foundations they laid all those years back.Hockley Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:30 am If Southgate had listened to 'opinions' he wouldn't have picked Pickford or Sterling and dropped Kane after the second group game. That would have been smart wouldn't it?
We are not in the final just because of him, but we are there because of what he has created with this squad.
GS is a leader of men, he is humble, has dignity, and believes playing/managing England is the pinnacle and shows/demands huge pride. That will do for me.
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Scumbaggery maybe, but had it been chalked off he would have found a way to score, he was from a different footballing dimension to mere mortal players and at his peak in that tournament for Argentina. To a degree I still cant understand how a 5ft 8inch guy beats a 6ft guy to a ball when both use their hands? Shilts will never make me understand how he doesn't punch that ?????Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:29 am 1990 is seen as Robson's crowning glory as England manager. We won one game in 90 minutes and even that in isolation was a pretty poor result. The Cameroon result would be used as a stick to beat Southgate with if it happened now. A late equaliser, extra time and 2 penalties to beat a team far below us in quality.
I know it's better getting to a semi than a quarter but I wonder if the '86 tournament is actually better. Easily dispatched of the group and only beaten by a moment of genius and a moment of scumbaggery by the eventual winners.
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Everyone on here should apply for the job next time it’s going and see how far we get. Actually, scratch that, I think I’ll save my time - if I was any good, like Southgate clearly is, then maybe I’d have had a successful thirty to forty year career in the game like he has.HammerAl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:48 am Not sure. A lot of people on this forum alone would have a lot of knowledge, understanding and ideas about the game, they just don’t get to show it at the level he does.
I don’t particularly like his style of play, the starting lineups and I also think his subs are a bit strange. I know you can only beat what’s in front of you but he had a very nice group and the easy side of the draw.
Again, I’m very happy he’s doing well, but I don’t think England are in the final because of him.