Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by alf git » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:10 pm

e17 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:57 pm
Heavily missed but crucial last night:

That Sheffield band was back and playing
Were they playing sweet Caroline?
Tossers.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Kludgehammer » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:23 pm

fmgod wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:22 pm
You have to be joking, the bloke who is first choice for the Champions League and European Champions, is a superb footballer and has been for seasons
Did you watch the game yesterday? Henderson was a pale shadow of Rice, and gave the ball away virtually every time he touched it.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Eggchaser » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:23 pm

fmgod wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:50 pm
Donnarumma
Walker Bonucci Chellini Spinzolla
Veratti Jorginho Henderson
Sancho Kane Sterling

Is what the team would be on paper taking out performance etc
Are you selecting that on form or reputation? Because in this tournament both Phillips and Rice were streets ahead of Henderson.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by dave_l » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 pm

e17 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:57 pm
Heavily missed but crucial last night:

That Sheffield band was back and playing
I thought I heard that terrible noise droning/whining away in the background. They’d be straight in Room 101 for me.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Samba » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:47 pm

dave_l wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 pm
I thought I heard that terrible noise droning/whining away in the background.
I believe that was Ironing Board..

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by fmgod » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm

Kludgehammer wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:23 pm
Did you watch the game yesterday? Henderson was a pale shadow of Rice, and gave the ball away virtually every time he touched it.
I was referring to Jorginho

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Post by fmgod » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm

Eggchaser wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:23 pm
Are you selecting that on form or reputation? Because in this tournament both Phillips and Rice were streets ahead of Henderson.
Form and reputation before the Euros, ie pre-tournament on paper

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Wilko1304 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:22 pm

fmgod wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Form and reputation before the Euros, ie pre-tournament on paper
Then I struggle to see where Henderson gets in.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Eggchaser » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:26 pm

Wilko1304 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:22 pm
Then I struggle to see where Henderson gets in.
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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by fmgod » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:27 pm

I'd have him in, league winner, two champions league finals, bar last season, Liverpool have been one of the best sides in Europe, he deserves a place in that theoretical side

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Metal Hammer » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:31 pm

fmgod wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:27 pm
I'd have him in, league winner, two champions league finals, bar last season, Liverpool have been one of the best sides in Europe, he deserves a place in that theoretical side
Nah

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:05 am

Het-Field wrote:
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I was stunned at how ordinary Grealish looked at times, and I cant help but feel his notional value has been helped by an excitable media, the YouTube culture which can splice hundreds of moments of brilliance and turn a player (from a reputation point of view) into a an unstoppable, world class player. Against Denmark, I dont believe he played sensibly as he kept trying to run through and around the red wall, without perhaps looking for the quicker ball, or the more incisive cross or pass. I dont believe he figured much in the game yesterday. In fact, apart from his (admittedly key) intervention in the Germany game, I often felt he looked a little lost, and a man whose value has been a product of talking heads.

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I felt both Denmark and Italy had his number. They were obviously aware of his 'balance problems' in and around the penalty area, so when he had the ball they put two defenders in front of him standing a yard away. They didn't tackle him and when he moved to go round them they just moved with him like a couple of Space Invaders (remember them?). Without the opportunity to fall over he didn't know what to do.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by HammerAl » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:54 am

I thought fmgod hated Sterling?

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by prophet:marginal » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:03 am

HammerAl wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:54 am
I thought fmgod hated Sterling?
I don't know about hate, but he's not overly keen on Marcus Welbeck, or his cousin Danny Rashford.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Morocco Mole » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am

Criticizing Grealish for failing to produce in 15 minute, chasing-the-game cameos is very much part the wider problem when it comes to English football. Until we start learning to trust our creative players and build the team around them we will always be nearly men. Pragmatic, containing football has never worked for England.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by fmgod » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:19 am

Morocco Mole wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am
Criticizing Grealish for failing to produce in 15 minute, chasing-the-game cameos is very much part the wider problem when it comes to English football. Until we start learning to trust our creative players and build the team around them we will always be nearly men. Pragmatic, containing football has never worked for England.
Creative players and Grealish is an oxymoron, if Grealish was KDB then 100% build around that, he has 100% not and a player that is 25 and played more games in the Championship than the Premier League, the delusion is off the charts, if we had KDB, or some of that ilk, then totally.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Morocco Mole » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:22 am

‘Moron’ being the operative word.

Grealish 8th in Europe for chances created.

You don’t half come out with some twaddle.

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by Kludgehammer » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:52 am

fmgod wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:27 pm
I'd have him in, league winner, two champions league finals, bar last season, Liverpool have been one of the best sides in Europe, he deserves a place in that theoretical side
I refer you top my previous comment. He doesn't deserve a place on form, because he continually gives the ball away - you just can't do that against one of the best sides in the world and not have it cost you badly

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by fmgod » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:18 pm

Kludgehammer wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:52 am
I refer you top my previous comment. He doesn't deserve a place on form, because he continually gives the ball away - you just can't do that against one of the best sides in the world and not have it cost you badly
I see a stat on Twitter, not sure if true, think it was Phillips played 13% of passes forward, as soon as Henderson came on, he gave it away but was playing miles more forward passes, albeit probably no where as were camped

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Re: Match #51: THE FINAL England 1-1 (P) Italy (8pm, Sunday 11th July)

Post by alf git » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:32 pm

fmgod wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:18 pm
I see a stat on Twitter, not sure if true, think it was Phillips played 13% of passes forward, as soon as Henderson came on, he gave it away but was playing miles more forward passes, albeit probably no where as were camped
So Henderson made him play worse?

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