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Re: VAR 21/22

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When you compare the stills there’s no comparison- Rodri hand balled it and bent VAR and referee made sure Citeh got away with it. It’s a tool for selective corruption and cheating. Credit Lampard for not giving a f*** about protocols
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Gerblatz wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:51 pm When you compare the stills there’s no comparison- Rodri hand balled it and bent VAR and referee made sure Citeh got away with it. It’s a tool for selective corruption and cheating. Credit Lampard for not giving a **** about protocols
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62001959

This should be interesting...
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^^^ Video of how it works:

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Well that certainly put a dampener on what was a lovely finish in the example they used! I think they're doing what is necessary to fix the issues with VAR decisions, and we all accept the goal line technology works well, but part of me thinks that fractional offsides like a kneecap and head don't make all that much difference to give the attacker a great advantage over the defender. I'd have said maybe use the body mass of the player and compare those, as otherwise its comparing the stride of each player which seems a bit extreme. I know they have to do something but we've gone from clear air space between players to fractional crossing of a threshold. it just seems bizarre to expect players to be in sync with their stride
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Maybe. But our Referees fail to improve, whereas technology eventually will.
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And we thought ‘his eyes are offside’ was a joke.

May as well ditch the officials completely.
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Diogenes wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:11 pm Maybe. But our Referees fail to improve, whereas technology eventually will.
Very true. It may not be the perfect answer right now, but seemingly a quicker route than improving refereeing across the board.
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Offside is offside though whether its a toe or a leg. I think this is a good move - it can be used for a while and if theres a belief its favouring defenders too much then it can be tweaked i guess to allow certain body parts or whatever.

Atleast if it works correctly it will be consistent. No big team bias.
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Is it measured from the initial contact with the ball or when it is released?
When you're talking milliseconds it could make a massive difference, especially if the pass is lifted.
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lukechadwick wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:28 pm Is it measured from the initial contact with the ball or when it is released?
When you're talking milliseconds it could make a massive difference, especially if the pass is lifted.
It's a minefield the more I think about it.
Speed of the ball and speed of each player would be relevant as well, then there's whether it's a sideways ball or straight over the top relevant to each players starting position. all of these play a part in the potential outcome...maybe we should have them all attached to long bars that run across the pitch so they can only move left and right...then they couldn't possibly be offside :D
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Robin Banks wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:46 pm It's a minefield the more I think about it.
Speed of the ball and speed of each player would be relevant as well, then there's whether it's a sideways ball or straight over the top relevant to each players starting position. all of these play a part in the potential outcome...maybe we should have them all attached to long bars that run across the pitch so they can only move left and right...then they couldn't possibly be offside :D
Don't think the speed should have any impact, effectively when the ball is played it will freeze and the player is either on or offside.
My uncertainty is if a plays a through ball by lifting the ball where it may be in contact for a second at what point is the pass counted? When the ball first touches or when it leaves the boot? Will this be a way to get a desired outcome?
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Re: first contact or when it leaves the boot...

I think when it leaves the boot would be the 'fairer' way to judge it, but like you said before, milliseconds would have a big impact. And more likely to be offside by the time the ball leaves the boot when it's slowed right down on a cross that is lifted, even though the ball might not have moved forwards

Also, just seen the news that Mike Dean is staying on VAR full time, so by the time the prem start using this technology there could still be some creative interpretation or artistic license used :hush:
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So what's the deal with this thing, as it seems to be happening here on a match day basis. Is it just England where VAR seems to be the cause of much controversy, or, as I'm sure somebody that watches European Leagues can tell me, is it happening all around?
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Copying my post from the Chelsea thread.

1. Referees should get 20 seconds to make a decision. If it’s not clear and obvious within that period the original decision stands.

2. The referees should have microphones between them and the VAR room. Greater transparency for decision making and why it’s been made.

3. Start recruiting better referees. The PGMOL as a function is a joke.
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VAR the system is not the problem.

It's the poor standard of officiating, and the incumbents who run it at Stockley Park.

The standard of English refereeing has been on the decline for decades, so it's no wonder that, VAR as a whole, in this country has been painfully bad and inconsistent, because that's exactly what the on field officiating has been like for years, and now they alone have complete control of the whole thing..

It's literally like the blind leading the blind.
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It's not just the bigger clubs who benefit from VAR although often it seems it is.

Chelsea got really screwed over twice in their game v Spurs the other week.

Forest got away with 2 x yellow cards for handball against us and Spurs. From my understanding deliberate handball to prevent a goal is a straight red?

I spoke to a Sunday league ref after he sent off an opponent for doing this. We all thought he was being harsh but his explanation really said it all
"if I let him off with a yellow, it gives all 20 other players on the pitch permission to do the same"

VAR doesn't need to improve, those who operate / officiate it do.

Or just bloody scrap it.
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As bad as the Bowen decision was, the Palace/Newcastle one has to be seen to be believed as well.

Our old friend Lee Mason calling it a foul on the goalkeeper...despite Willock clearly being shoved into the goalkeeper by Mitchell who then sticks it in his own net.

Must be Mike Dean rubbing off on them.
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I’m in the completely scrap it camp. There’s more talk about var then there ever was about refs making mistakes.

It exists for the computer game generation who can’t get out of their bedrooms.
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Re: VAR Thread

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Just keep it for offsides and yes/ no decisions like ball out of play
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