Xtinction Rebellion

[daytimedave]

back on the streets again .
rent a mob blocking the roads in covent garden .
why do we have to put up with this cult. send the water cannons in .

[Turns to Stone]

back on the streets again .
rent a mob blocking the roads in covent garden .
why do we have to put up with this cult. send the water cannons in .

Because protesting is a human right in this country.

[Het-Field]

At least they have emerged from that deplorable 'Money Rebellion' idea. To me, that made the fig leaf fall away and made clear what their ideology was, and could have had very serious consequences for people who participated in it. At least the pivot back to environmentalism is to be welcomed. I still dont think it is going to make their campaigning any smarter.

[dave_l]

They have an important message but often go about it in a really ham fisted way. The tube train stunt was pretty daft.

I remember the prgramme on the London Ambulance service which included the period of the 2019 protests where XR said they wouldn't blockade emergency vehicles from coming through, yet that was exactly what happened, leading to massively extended response times. I sincerley hope that doesn't happen again.

One thing I would say is get messages out there that people can understand and see making a difference to their lives. Not shouting for an immediate end to anything end everything.

[Het-Field]

One thing I would say is get messages out there that people can understand and see making a difference to their lives. Not shouting for an immediate end to anything end everything.

In fairness, it seemed like that was a major plank of XR strategy was to be outraged and frothy, in as public a way as possible. It was performative, and unlikely to convince people of the pressing concerns arising as a result of climate change. A major problem with any umbrella organisation it will bring together people from very diverse political viewpoints, and of course that will impact the activism. If this is a new iteration, it is the correct thing to do, as the last iteration was a failure on multiple levels.

[fmgod]

They're a bunch of idiots and should be allowed to protest this way disrupting every day life for normal people, if it wasn't Tarquin and Harriet and was Colin and Susan from the estate they would get moved on in five minutes.

If they care that much they should focus on the countries that are the worst in the world, we're not that bad really as a country

[delbert]

As a country we ain't doing too bad on the whole environmental front, why don't these people pick one that blatantly doesn't give a ***** about the environment and go and protest outside their embassy, the Chinese one would be a good start. They could join forces with the human rights lot, the anti Covid lot and the animal rights lot.
In fact cut out the twatting around and have every protest for or against every cause outside their embassy, if they ain't currently guilty of something then they either was or soon will be........ :lol:

[Monkeybubbles]

Colin and Susan?

[daytimedave]

[Danny's Dyer Acting]

Colin and Susan?

Imaginary working class people that are apparently better than imaginary people with funny names.

Not sure where they sit in the hierarchy that includes bubbles' Tory voting mates Betty and Mavis.

[Prob]

Hearing all the newspapers in the UK get collectively ruffled by people who think this is silly and immature. Doesn't matter a huge report dropped reminding us we're ****ed which most people in power have ignored or doubled down on fossil fuels, and we only have to turn on the news (in some cases, look out the window) to see parts of our planet on fire.

But you know, don't be immature, write a strongly worded letter to your mp or something.

Car ownership is far more important than having clear air or a planet for our children

[Collison Theory]

I wonder how bad things will have to get before people get more outraged by the actual destruction of the planet than people blocking roads protesting that.

[Tenbury]

50 years ago people used the same old bollax arguements against Greenpeace.
Then we had a moratorium on whaling, and despite state terrorism, the French were forced to halt nuclear testing.

[Junco Partner]

If you can't protest about the extinction of all human life within a generation or three then what else is even vaguely worth protesting about?

The latest IPCC report was clear, human activity is unequivocally causing rapid and potentially catastrophic changes to the climate, and it suggested our civilisation may have already passed a crucial tipping point in carbon dioxide emissions.

This summer the earth is literally burning in front of our eyes, Siberia is suffering a heat-wave, it's raining on Greenland ice-caps and ahead is only worse floods more often, more terrible and frequent heatwaves and more devastating and repeated droughts....and that's if we get our act together soon.

These kids are alright. They are our last, best hope. More power to them.

[daytimedave]

in the words of the great George Carlin...

" The planet isn’t going anywhere… we are! We’re going away! Pack your **** folks! "

[Het-Field]

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But you know, don't be immature, write a strongly worded letter to your mp or something.

But how is that any more performative than the type of outrage XR brings? The frothy walking off interviews, the counterproductive stunts (contradictory to what their own agenda ought to be), or the shifting narrative which included 'Money Rebellion'.

I think it has to be understood that people can care about climate change, but do all they can, to respond to it in an ethical manner. You dont have to resort to shouting borderline millenarian language in people's faces to make people 'wake up'. And in fact, I would argue that doing so undermines any hope the movement has of gaining traction. XR have an opportunity here to reform, but if this is just a rehash of the last efforts, well, the results will be the same.

[-DL-]

I wonder how bad things will have to get before people get more outraged by the actual destruction of the planet than people blocking roads protesting that.

The planet is not being destroyed. In fact, the planet has faced far bigger catastrophes than humans kicking out CO2. The planet will be just fine. In the human race that's in a bit of a pickle.

Climate change will happen whether we are here or not. Climate change will happen if by some miracle, we stopped kicking out CO2 and other greenhouse gasses tomorrow morning.

However, human activity is speeding the process up.

I posted elsewhere last week, it's time to focus on what we're going to do when the sea levels rise (again) and the ice caps melt (again) rather than try and prevent the runaway train that is climate change.

Of course, I'm not saying for one second we don't need to reduce harmful emissions - we do - but the human race is absolutely powerless to stop the climate from changing, just like we're powerless to stop tectonic plates from moving. It's what the earth does.

What we can do is try and slow the runaway train we have released the brakes on, (personally, I think it's too late for that) and to start dealing with the consequences of climate change now rather than kicking the can down the road for future generations to deal with.

Humans as a species do not have a divine right to this planet. We've only been here for a mere fart in geological terms. The planet will be fine. We may not be - but by the same token, I don't think we'll be extinct within a generation or three like the wild claim that's just been made on this thread.

[daytimedave]

thats what im talking about

[delbert]

Car ownership is far more important than having clear air or a planet for our children

We can have both, but that would require common sense and a cease fire on the spiteful campaign against motorists........

[Hammers Dad]

Even if XR get everything they want and this country turns Carbon neutral or negative, other countries will not do a jot to change. I cannot see a lot of crusties turning up in China and making a difference, nor in the USA, India or Russia.