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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Yeah tbh it was part of our consideration. It's a nice bonus but with a higher cost and lower performance it wasn't as attractive. Plus we would have got about 14k back not the 5k now on offer.

It's a technology that is developing quickly so hopefully next time we need a new boiler it will make sense.
I wish they would come up with an electric combi thats actually good enough for all houses and not just flats
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That’s pretty much where I am SLWO,
I’m in need of a new heating system in an Oil only area. I’m sticking with oil for now but in a decade will wait and see once the efficiency is improved and experience is gained by others.
One thing to think about if you’re looking at a new heating system is think about future proofing where you can to spread the costs. A new cylinder will be required for a Heat pump system, so you could look at a Mixergy water cylinder. If like me you have some solar, you can divert excess solar into a Mixergy cylinder so it is acting as a cheap alternative to a battery. All Mixergy cylinders are heat pump ready for any future proofing and due to the clever way they fill and heat, you can accurately heat as much or as little water that you need quickly and 20% more efficiently than a standard water cylinder. They can be heated direct from grid or solar or indirectly from a system boiler. They are also available for closed vented systems, meaning you will get mains water pressure for your hot water upstairs without the need for a header tank in the loft. They aren’t cheap, but they’re certainly cheaper than a solar battery system and in the current climate, you could potentially make that extra few hundred quid back quickly due to its superior efficiency and flexibility compared to its competitors.
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mumbles87 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 1:56 pm I wish they would come up with an electric combi thats actually good enough for all houses and not just flats
Here you go check these out.

https://tepeo.com/
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mumbles87 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 am https://ecohomeinsulationscheme.co.uk/? ... VUQAvD_BwE

That helps already around tho? Just for homeowners
I think they're being a bit loose with their calculations.
That system in a trad build is just going to give you a warm roof which means you're still going to be paying to heat your loft if it's not living space.
More loft insulation is the first, most cost effective port of call and you can install it yourself.
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Rays Rock wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:10 pm Here you go check these out.

https://tepeo.com/
Interesting, defo not powerful enough yet and would wait for the combi version

Quotes using octupus go.. you need an EV to get on that now so bit misleading

40amp jezz lol my 80amp fuse would love that ..

I like the idea of that it seems interesting..

Lots of assumptions in their figures though "usual house is 100amp fuse" maybe new builds
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People already moaning about the energy payments

"£400 one off payment won't make a difference"

"I live at home moving in January doesn't help me"

Now I'm no fan of this government but seriously there's only so much anyone can do to help surely?

People saying they don't have enough less so £400 off the bill won't help

I mean surely it does.. when my £400 arrives if I wanted I could lower my direct debit by £50 a month for 8 months .. but then I'm on a fixed deal

Surely those on variable it will help because it will help cover the rise that's coming!

We should be grateful we don't get the £200 loan anymore
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:00 am People already moaning about the energy payments

"£400 one off payment won't make a difference"

"I live at home moving in January doesn't help me"

Now I'm no fan of this government but seriously there's only so much anyone can do to help surely?

People saying they don't have enough less so £400 off the bill won't help

I mean surely it does.. when my £400 arrives if I wanted I could lower my direct debit by £50 a month for 8 months .. but then I'm on a fixed deal

Surely those on variable it will help because it will help cover the rise that's coming!

We should be grateful we don't get the £200 loan anymore
I agree, that £400 credit will help me against the October rise and through winter, will have to see how bad it is next Autumn but that is £400 in the bank as far as I'm concerned.

The loan idea was stupid.
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When my £400 arrives I'm buying an 8ball and a bottle of tequila.

That'll keep me warm.
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 7:08 am Interesting, defo not powerful enough yet and would wait for the combi version

Quotes using octupus go.. you need an EV to get on that now so bit misleading

40amp jezz lol my 80amp fuse would love that ..

I like the idea of that it seems interesting..

Lots of assumptions in their figures though "usual house is 100amp fuse" maybe new builds
I’m desperately trying to get SSE to fit my smart meter asap so that I can hop across to Octopus Go in time for the winter. All 1st world problems i admit, but as I said the other day. I will struggle a bit this winter with disposable income and bulk oil purchases. But if we can get octopus go on the move, I’ll heat my water over night, charge the car and put the washing m/c on etc.. hopefully without breaking my incoming fuse. If i can, my calcs show it will save enough to help pay for heating oil.
As for that boiler I posted, i would say that kind of technology needs to happen and be adopted by some wealthy types in order for it to be honed for the rest of us. It also looks like if you were to plonk one in the middle of your house it gets so hot you wouldn’t need to add any radiators to it as your entire house would become hot just from that boiler heat loss.
Would it be possible for you to fit a h/w cylinder in your house rather than a combi ? Now that you have solar it makes absolute perfect sense to store excess energy from solar in the form of hot water rather than exporting it to the grid for a paltry pay back. Our solar was installed on the good FIT scheme and even that payback is poor.
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Rays Rock wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:29 am I’m desperately trying to get SSE to fit my smart meter asap so that I can hop across to Octopus Go in time for the winter. All 1st world problems i admit, but as I said the other day. I will struggle a bit this winter with disposable income and bulk oil purchases. But if we can get octopus go on the move, I’ll heat my water over night, charge the car and put the washing m/c on etc.. hopefully without breaking my incoming fuse. If i can, my calcs show it will save enough to help pay for heating oil.
As for that boiler I posted, i would say that kind of technology needs to happen and be adopted by some wealthy types in order for it to be honed for the rest of us. It also looks like if you were to plonk one in the middle of your house it gets so hot you wouldn’t need to add any radiators to it as your entire house would become hot just from that boiler heat loss.
Would it be possible for you to fit a h/w cylinder in your house rather than a combi ? Now that you have solar it makes absolute perfect sense to store excess energy from solar in the form of hot water rather than exporting it to the grid for a paltry pay back. Our solar was installed on the good FIT scheme and even that payback is poor.
Your right go saves a bit

When it was 14p I was saving £400 a year doing the car, tumble and dishwasher at night

Now would be lot more but I'm still on that 14p

I could install a tank but if I can avoid it might be ok..

Regards to exporting .. once my battery arrives and my fix ends in Feb I'm off to tesla energy plan which is 11p in 11p out

So my solar powers my house and then goes back to grid for 11p and I buy back in winter at that price

But I could divert it if Ness
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By giving every household £400 it allows the Energy Companies to keep their prices high , the problem will still be there next year , will Sunak be dishing out £400 every 6 months ?

We're signed up with EDF which is 83.88% state owned in France - the French have restricted their price rise to 4% and they're giving low income families £83 each . The UK subsidises EDF too .

https://electricalreview.co.uk/2022/04/ ... izewell-c/

Time to nationalise our energy companies here in the UK -

Where's Jeremy Corbyn when you need him ?
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Remember Liam Byrne's note. ' There's no money left'

They're definitely won't be when this lot get done.

Still, hypocritically, when are we getting this money?
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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:37 pm By giving every household £400 it allows the Energy Companies to keep their prices high , the problem will still be there next year , will Sunak be dishing out £400 every 6 months ?

We're signed up with EDF which is 83.88% state owned in France - the French have restricted their price rise to 4% and they're giving low income families £83 each . The UK subsidises EDF too .

https://electricalreview.co.uk/2022/04/ ... izewell-c/

Time to nationalise our energy companies here in the UK -

Where's Jeremy Corbyn when you need him ?
The age old rubbish quote of
"the problem with socialism is you soon run out of other people's money"

When in reality the problem with socialism is that it doesn't make capitalists enough money so they belittle it at every stage until something affects them then they revert back to socialism again .. furlough, nationalism of the banks when they went under .. when it starts to hit their pockets then socialism is fine.

They try to use the right wing press to talk it down as communism .. that we will be like Russia etc when in reality we could be more like France .. but then this country is so conditioned to hate anything socialism now even a strike causes people to lose their minds .. imagine actually standing up to the entire government like they did for the pole taxes? That would never happen now.. everyone's too self centred
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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:37 pm By giving every household £400 it allows the Energy Companies to keep their prices high , the problem will still be there next year , will Sunak be dishing out £400 every 6 months ?

We're signed up with EDF which is 83.88% state owned in France - the French have restricted their price rise to 4% and they're giving low income families £83 each . The UK subsidises EDF too .

https://electricalreview.co.uk/2022/04/ ... izewell-c/

Time to nationalise our energy companies here in the UK -

Where's Jeremy Corbyn when you need him ?
The last I heard of Corbyn he was making a speech in Derby that ended with him wishing Forest good luck in the play-off final, showing you what an outstanding knowledge he has of the common man.

Let's set a few things straight:
1) Their prices will remain high whether you give them the subsidy or not.
2) You don't know if the problem will still be there this time next year. It probably will, but you do not know that.
3) France's energy structure is very different from that of the UK. You neglect the rights issue that EDF had to do earlier this year. Joe Public pays for that, but since it isn't on the energy bill then it seems to not be actual money, according to many.
4) We don't have to subsidise EDF, but there are a very limited number of places to go for nuclear technology and for such a project you will need some sort of state sponsorship.
5) What exactly do you want to nationalise? At what cost? And what difference do you think it will make, and why?
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:09 pm The age old rubbish quote of
"the problem with socialism is you soon run out of other people's money"

When in reality the problem with socialism is that it doesn't make capitalists enough money so they belittle it at every stage until something affects them then they revert back to socialism again .. furlough, nationalism of the banks when they went under .. when it starts to hit their pockets then socialism is fine.

They try to use the right wing press to talk it down as communism .. that we will be like Russia etc when in reality we could be more like France .. but then this country is so conditioned to hate anything socialism now even a strike causes people to lose their minds .. imagine actually standing up to the entire government like they did for the pole taxes? That would never happen now.. everyone's too self centred
Is not having had an annual budget surplus in my lifetime (and I'm not young) something to envy?
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EvilC wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:13 pm Is not having had an annual budget surplus in my lifetime (and I'm not young) something to envy?
Only if it's actually invested back into public services and not from cutting them
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:23 pm

Only if it's actually invested back into public services and not from cutting them
You can't invest something that is negative, can you? It is reducing the amount you can invest. Or spend on letting people retire really early.
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EvilC wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:26 pm You can't invest something that is negative, can you? It is reducing the amount you can invest. Or spend on letting people retire really early.
Thought we were talking about the UK? We retire later and later now..

I'd gladly be more like France but the people of this country wouldn't stand up to government anymore like the French do so it would never happen.
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:28 pm Thought we were talking about the UK? We retire later and later now..

I'd gladly be more like France but the people of this country wouldn't stand up to government anymore like the French do so it would never happen.
No, I'm talking about France. No budget surplus since 1974 (champagne when they reach their half century?). I'm not sure that is something to admire. Not that we don't have our problems, but the idea that their economic model is something to follow isn't one I can get behind.
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Was furlough socialism? Nationalising the banks certainly wasn't, shareholders got the benefit not everyone.
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