kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:23 am
thing is, where will it stop? its going to take £700 pm to break even by July next year. by which point the price will have increased again, and so it starts again - will need to be paying £800+ a month in July and August just so we are break even the year after.
having to pay that much money in the summer just seems illegal. our summer usage this year for gas was about £30 a month and electric was steady at about £70 a month. The thought of having to up this in june/july/august when it will be red hot again to £700+ a month is painful.
It'll stop when Europe's gas crisis stops.
My suggestion would be to look at what you can control - which is your usage. Turn down your thermostat, turn down radiators in rooms where it might not be needed.
What you pay and what you use are different. You need to ensure that your payments cover your usage - easier said than done in the current environment, obviously.
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:43 am
had to copy and paste it into excel as i don't have a google log in, but thanks for this. i have tweaked it a bit as my standing charge and unit prices are a little lower than in the file. I just need to find out what my yearly usage is now
Glad it helped
I made it ages ago for a friend when she was working hers out this time last year so I did just rush the edits lol
just put your data in the blue bits (ie your actual usage) and it will fire out the actual cost of what you use a year
prices set at the gov cap
if you want to compare to a fix just fill in the blue bits for the fixed tariffs and you can see the differences
interesting. i have just filled it in with the yearly usage that formed part of our new flexible plan. it said that we had used 14,756 kwh of gas and 3,245 kwh of electric. I am assuming we will use similar this year.
if that is the case then the spreadsheet says we will owe a total of circa £1,180 for gas and £1,107 for electric (including the standing charge) - so about £2,287 in total or £190pm.
So why on earth are they thinking we will use over £800 in January?!
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:27 pm
interesting. i have just filled it in with the yearly usage that formed part of our new flexible plan. it said that we had used 14,756 kwh of gas and 3,245 kwh of electric. I am assuming we will use similar this year.
if that is the case then the spreadsheet says we will owe a total of circa £1,180 for gas and £1,107 for electric (including the standing charge) - so about £2,287 in total or £190pm.
So why on earth are they thinking we will use over £800 in January?!
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:35 pm
Do you have a smart metre?
no - they have only just become available to us for some reason and they want to send an engineer out to install and make sure it is all ok etc. Worth getting one?
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:52 pm
no - they have only just become available to us for some reason and they want to send an engineer out to install and make sure it is all ok etc. Worth getting one?
Imo yes 100%
You not only get accurate bills, you can see your exact usage and use it to budget
Also with octopus they do trails with smart metres, they were going to bring in a scheme to pay you to not use energy during certain slots
Considering they are "free" (to have put in, paid for on your bill regardless) you might aswell have one
so just ran some numbers based on my actual usage last year - assuming i will use similar levels this year
between 11th December 2021 and 14th January 2022 (35 day period) we used 365kwh of electric and 2116.2kwh of gas. I won't bore you with the individual charges etc, but that all comes out to a total charge, including vat, of £174.47 (£4.98 a day)
if i use the same amount of kwh for the above period this year and plug in my current unit rate and standard charge figures my charge will be circa £300 (£8.60 a day).
using the same logic for my next billed period, between 15th January to 10th March (55 day period), last year we were billed for actual usage of £292 (£5.31 a day) and in the new world that will give us a charge of £510 (£9.28 a day).
Jonah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:15 pm
Same, and now I've actually looked at the yearly usage - the lights are going off as well as the gas!
Gas : 630
Elec : 5200!
If I run my own numbers it's £3300 for electric at that rate and £1000 for gas
With load shifting and solar it brings it down to still £1000 gas but levels it off about £1400 so least keeps the bill down a bit .. in reality it will be lower but can't calculate how much I won't be paying because of generation that's too variable
Bulb have just sent me my estimates for the year, based on the price freeze - and whilst they're still quite ***** - they reckon they're only going to be just over 250 a month based on my previous 12 months usage - and that's dual fuel too. They did with me, like others, send me an email saying I should reduce my payments each month to under 200, but sod that - I'll keep with paying what we're paying now which is 220, when the 400 quid credit of 2 x 66 and the rest at 67 off of my bill each month is taken in to account.
What I am expecting, but maybe I will be pissing in the wind with this, is that their estimate may actually be lower than that, as last year, Mrs DL was working from home 5/7, and she now works in a school, so won't be using electricity or heating during the day in winter.
As an aside, seeing some of the usage people have quoted on this thread is eyewatering. Surely there has to be ways in which you can reduce that?
-DL- wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:49 pmAs an aside, seeing some of the usage people have quoted on this thread is eyewatering. Surely there has to be ways in which you can reduce that?
I guess it depends on a variety of factors - the size of your house, how much you are in, whether you are young/old, how energy efficient your house is etc. My house is a decent size but recently had building work done, so it is pretty energy efficient. My usage is around 5,500kwh electricity/33,000 kwh gas, but I think I can trim the gas usage fairly significantly.
I know people that were renting an old house that was massively energy inefficient - the neighbours said you could literally see it leaking heat.
EvilC wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:15 pm
I guess it depends on a variety of factors - the size of your house, how much you are in, whether you are young/old, how energy efficient your house is etc. My house is a decent size but recently had building work done, so it is pretty energy efficient. My usage is around 5,500kwh electricity/33,000 kwh gas, but I think I can trim the gas usage fairly significantly.
I know people that were renting an old house that was massively energy inefficient - the neighbours said you could literally see it leaking heat.
Our gas usage is 9000 kW which is 3000 less than average which is pretty decent considering solid walls
Electric is just high , our base load is 9kw a day which is above the average usage , prob all the smart tech
However the air con heat pump usage on the electric does help keep that gas down which is the real costly one . It's much more efficient
-DL- wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:49 pm
As an aside, seeing some of the usage people have quoted on this thread is eyewatering. Surely there has to be ways in which you can reduce that?
No doubt about it mate.
Apart from the usual permanently on 'essential' devices; fridge, freezer, router, boiler, oven - We (two people in an extended 1930s 3 bed semi) have extra devices always on like IoT stuff, PC, NAS, 2 x laptop docks, 4 x access points, 6 x Sonos, multiple hive plugs/bulbs. I feel like stripping it all out and going back to basics.
Apart from the usual permanently on 'essential' devices; fridge, freezer, router, boiler, oven - We (two people in an extended 1930s 3 bed semi) have extra devices always on like IoT stuff, PC, NAS, 2 x laptop docks, 4 x access points, 6 x Sonos, multiple hive plugs/bulbs. I feel like stripping it all out and going back to basics.
Do you have an air fryer? They seriously save money. Cuts the cooking time and the kWh usage dramatically
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:48 pm
Do you have an air fryer? They seriously save money. Cuts the cooking time and the kWh usage dramatically
Nope, not even really thought about it to be honest due to our diet - we probably only use the oven once/twice a week if we're unlucky, we make more curries/stews in the slow cooker or stir frys on the hob, all other veg gets steamed.
Worth considering but you can explain to the Mrs why the aesthetics of the kitchen has been ruined by Metal Mickey sitting on the worktop
