Plashet Grove Pete wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:43 pm
Where's that come from Evil? Have you got a source?
People at work.
Basically, every day right now Russia keeps pumping gas through Ukraine. And each day that happens is a bonus.
Initial suggestions are that so far (and obviously it isn't cold yet) people have trimmed their demand. We also should have Rough come back online shortly.
It looks like the UK will remain a de facto gas import hub for Europe for a while.
Lots could happen - it could be unseasonably cold, LNG could be interrupted, whatever else. But the outlook is a bit rosier than it was a month or so ago.
Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:55 pmIt looks like the UK will remain a de facto gas import hub for Europe for a while.
Is that an earner for the UK?
I don’t think so. It just means we have better access to gas than they do and that ours is cheaper.
Probably most importantly it means they rely on us here (I believe it tends to be the other way round for electricity). This may be politically useful, although obviously it depends on how we wield any power that comes from that.
sendô wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:52 pm
To be fair we used to be good at getting one faction in other countries to overthrow the legitimate government, sticking our flag in the ground and calling dibs.
chelmsfordhammer91 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:48 pm
For us, the 67 quid or whatever gets paid directly to our bank account by the supplier (EDF), which is what they are doing for all DD customers.
Yes I'm a bit confused I have oil heating, no gas in my village. My DD with EON before all this malarkey was £68 a month then it went up to £114 and then to £138 I just been advised I'm £185 in credit and my DD is £65
old fart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:37 pm
Yes I'm a bit confused I have oil heating, no gas in my village. My DD with EON before all this malarkey was £68 a month then it went up to £114 and then to £138 I just been advised I'm £185 in credit and my DD is £65
from what ive read everyone will get it from their electric provider not their gas. This is because more people have electric so its easier
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:36 am
Using Octopus' "crystal ball" mode it suggesting that we need to pay £505 a month just so we break even (have a zero balance) in June next year.
if we continue to pay the £240 a month we are currently paying then we will be in over £3k's worth of debt by June 23
What sort of tariff are you on? That seems an awfully big gap to appear, octopus have been pretty proactive with us.
They did lower the DD to account for the govt loan we are all getting but I've put that back up again to what it was.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:49 am
What sort of tariff are you on? That seems an awfully big gap to appear, octopus have been pretty proactive with us.
They did lower the DD to account for the govt loan we are all getting but I've put that back up again to what it was.
I'd not heard of this Crystal Ball thing so just used it....recommends we don't take the full reduction but sit at just below what we're paying now to get us through the winter
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:49 am
What sort of tariff are you on? That seems an awfully big gap to appear, octopus have been pretty proactive with us.
They did lower the DD to account for the govt loan we are all getting but I've put that back up again to what it was.
our fixed ran out so went onto their variable, but its a lot cheaper than if we sign up for a fixed (martin lewis also said to just stay where you are and go onto what ever they put you on. i have check the numbers as well and it is the cheapest option to us currently).
our DD used to be £109, they then suggested it went up to £140 so put it up, and then they wanted £197 a month, so i upped it to £240 a month to try and get a bit of a buffer. but yeah, apparently if we stick to £240 a month it will be over £3k of debt by middle of next year.
The crystal ball mode estimates our December bill will be £528 and January it will be £830!! almost a grand for electric and gas in a month!
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:36 am
if we continue to pay the £240 a month we are currently paying then we will be in over £3k's worth of debt by June 23
Assume you are on the same Flexible tarriff KH? (edit - I see you are) Similar story here - paying £277 at the moment - up from usual £130. By the end of June '23 we'll be over 4k in the red. That will need £700 pm from now to break even.
Loftyhammer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:06 am
I'd not heard of this Crystal Ball thing so just used it....recommends we don't take the full reduction but sit at just below what we're paying now to get us through the winter
Crystal ball mode shows we need to be paying £547 a month from now so we are at zero balance in June next year. Its mental!
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:09 am
our fixed ran out so went onto their variable, but its a lot cheaper than if we sign up for a fixed (martin lewis also said to just stay where you are and go onto what ever they put you on. i have check the numbers as well and it is the cheapest option to us currently).
our DD used to be £109, they then suggested it went up to £140 so put it up, and then they wanted £197 a month, so i upped it to £240 a month to try and get a bit of a buffer. but yeah, apparently if we stick to £240 a month it will be over £3k of debt by middle of next year.
The crystal ball mode estimates our December bill will be £528 and January it will be £830!! almost a grand for electric and gas in a month!
Is this just via that automated service?
Different companies but e.on's automated changes/suggestions to my DD seem to be a lot higher than where I've ended up after a call with them last week.
I've just got the emails from SSE telling me of my DD increases. Gas is going up from £83 to £130 per month, electricity from £102 to £121 so overall it's going up from £185 per month to £251. This doesn't seem like the doomesday scenario I was expecting.
kenthammer1984 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:09 am
our fixed ran out so went onto their variable, but its a lot cheaper than if we sign up for a fixed (martin lewis also said to just stay where you are and go onto what ever they put you on. i have check the numbers as well and it is the cheapest option to us currently).
our DD used to be £109, they then suggested it went up to £140 so put it up, and then they wanted £197 a month, so i upped it to £240 a month to try and get a bit of a buffer. but yeah, apparently if we stick to £240 a month it will be over £3k of debt by middle of next year.
The crystal ball mode estimates our December bill will be £528 and January it will be £830!! almost a grand for electric and gas in a month!
That puts your energy bill at about 6k for the year, so more than double the average use numbers they use for the cap.
Jonah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:10 am
Assume you are on the same Flexible tarriff KH? (edit - I see you are) Similar story here - paying £277 at the moment - up from usual £130. By the end of June '23 we'll be over 4k in the red. That will need £700 pm from now to break even.
thing is, where will it stop? its going to take £700 pm to break even by July next year. by which point the price will have increased again, and so it starts again - will need to be paying £800+ a month in July and August just so we are break even the year after.
having to pay that much money in the summer just seems illegal. our summer usage this year for gas was about £30 a month and electric was steady at about £70 a month. The thought of having to up this in june/july/august when it will be red hot again to £700+ a month is painful.
just put your data in the blue bits (ie your actual usage) and it will fire out the actual cost of what you use a year
prices set at the gov cap
if you want to compare to a fix just fill in the blue bits for the fixed tariffs and you can see the differences
had to copy and paste it into excel as i don't have a google log in, but thanks for this. i have tweaked it a bit as my standing charge and unit prices are a little lower than in the file. I just need to find out what my yearly usage is now
