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The reduction of flows through NS1 for technical reasons may be genuine. The reduction of flows via Ukraine is spurious. Putin is giving a speech now, delayed by one hour due to hackers (lol).
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Diesel next door is 2.06 today. Popped in for milk and the guy serving was fuming about it.

It's 13p cheaper next garage along. Both are Texaco
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:45 pm fuming
I see what you did there :wink:
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EvilC wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:18 pm I wonder if this might be what cracks the European resolve. The economic stakes are so high here.
With the 3 stooges rocking up in Kiev yesterday I think from a PR perspective resolve is strong. However I suspect Putin will have the last laugh here. Once the people of Europe face the reality of EUR3 or 4 a litre and really being unable to heat their homes in winter as power cuts, I think their sympathy for Ukraine will melt away and with politicians so **** scared of losing the people they will call Putin to the table to negotiate.
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chelmsfordhammer91 wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:57 pm I see what you did there :wink:
I wasn't even close to doing that on purpose 😂
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RichieRiv wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:00 pm With the 3 stooges rocking up in Kiev yesterday I think from a PR perspective resolve is strong. However I suspect Putin will have the last laugh here. Once the people of Europe face the reality of EUR3 or 4 a litre and really being unable to heat their homes in winter as power cuts, I think their sympathy for Ukraine will melt away and with politicians so **** scared of losing the people they will call Putin to the table to negotiate.
I think so too. He was talking about food a lot when he spoke earlier as well. I was thinking that I could start filling up the car with Bolinger instead of gasoline, but he'll probably start pushing the price of grapes up.
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EvilC wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:20 pm I think so too. He was talking about food a lot when he spoke earlier as well. I was thinking that I could start filling up the car with Bolinger instead of gasoline, but he'll probably start pushing the price of grapes up.
Is that your usual tipple Evil? I've got visions of you Blofeld style in your lair doing the Dr Evil laugh whilst enjoying a sip.
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bonzosbeard wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:10 pm Is that your usual tipple Evil? I've got visions of you Blofeld style in your lair doing the Dr Evil laugh whilst enjoying a sip.
I pretty much drink beer/lager or red wine, most other forms of alcohol don't do much for me. I'd like to have a lair though.
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Not a lot happens until they reach stage three, but it is worth noting.
Germany Prepares to Trigger Second Stage of Emergency Gas Plan
2022-06-21 20:18:32.265 GMT

By Vanessa Dezem
(Bloomberg) -- Germany is preparing to trigger the second
stage of a three-stage emergency gas plan, a move that may mean
passing along higher prices to industry and households.
The government may soon move to the “alarm” stage,
according to a person familiar with the matter. The country has
been at the “early warning” stage since March 30.
Germany is seeking to reduce gas use to shore up
inventories after Russia cut deliveries last week by about 60%
through a key pipeline. Economy Minister Robert Habeck said the
move by Russia was aimed at unsettling the markets.
Gas buyers have been struggling since last week to replace
missing volumes from Russia. Companies are still able to add to
inventories, which are now at 58%. Germany is seeking to prepare
for winter by filling storage facilities to 80% by Oct. 1 and
90% by Nov. 1.
Triggering the second stage of Germany’s emergency plan
could mean a change in the law that would allow energy companies
to pass on cost increases to homes and businesses. It may also
include firing up more coal plants to minimize gas consumption.
The measures are still being analyzed by the government.
Germany Plans Coal U-Turn, Gas Funding to Offset Russian
Cut
The actions may spell another blow for Europe’s biggest
economy, which is already facing increasing inflation rates.
Industries from chemicals to steel have already warned that they
may have to close factories and reduce production due to higher
energy costs.
European natural gas prices jumped 33% this month, reaching
125 euros per megawatt-hour on Tuesday. Prices were 30 euros a
year ago.
European Gas Rises Again as Supply Crisis Spreads Across
Region
Germany has been bracing to shift away from Russian gas,
tapping liquefied natural gas imports and other available
sources after sanctions imposed on Russia raised the risks of
gas cuts.
If Germany ratchets up its gas plan to the highest level,
“emergency,” the state would assume control of the country’s
entire distribution network.
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Eventually and once the dust settles, what sort of impact will this have on things like the green party? Will they get more votes, or will people look at their policies and wonder whether closing coal stations was such a good idea.
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Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:58 am Eventually and once the dust settles, what sort of impact will this have on things like the green party? Will they get more votes, or will people look at their policies and wonder whether closing coal stations was such a good idea.

I'd like to think the party will be OK, they offer an alternative and choice is healthy. Hopefully some of the policies of the bandwagon jumping other parties will come under more scrutiny though.....
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The obvious thing for the greens to do is say that if you'd listened to us you wouldn't be relying on fossil fuels so heavily, we told you to sort this crap out ages ago.
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EvilC wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:53 pm The obvious thing for the greens to do is say that if you'd listened to us you wouldn't be relying on fossil fuels so heavily, we told you to sort this crap out ages ago.
Blah, blah blah...... hindsight and all that :crylol:
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Blaming the greens for a shortage of fossil fuels would be a bit dim though? In Germany it has more merit as they pushed to switch off the nukes.
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EvilC wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:35 pm Blaming the greens for a shortage of fossil fuels would be a bit dim though? In Germany it has more merit as they pushed to switch off the nukes.
You have a greater faith in average Joe's intelligence than me. :crylol:

I do agree, greens, environmentalists, etc have been banging the drum for years now. Only when those who can affect change are seeing/feeling first hand what is going on is anything seemingly happening.

So next up will most likely be fresh water shortages, weird and wonderful diseases and mass starvation as these have been on the agenda for quite some time too. :newthumb:
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Germany has moved to level 2 of "we're scared above having no gas this winter".

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£2 (200.9) Diesel spotted this morning on the way to work (was 199.9 yesterday) - Shell in Bolton if anyone interested. Petrol was 192.9 (I think)

It is only a penny more but psychologically it seems a hell of a lot more.
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I wonder at which point Joe / Pierre / Luigi / Hans / Jose Public with get the hump when they have to have cold showers in December?
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RichieRiv wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:06 am I wonder at which point Joe / Pierre / Luigi / Hans / Jose Public with get the hump when they have to have cold showers in December?
Will they though? People will pay whatever it costs for gas / electric / petrol & diesel.
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jastons wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:33 pm Will they though? People will pay whatever it costs for gas / electric / petrol & diesel.
They are planning to ration the stuff, throwing money at it won't solve the problem.
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