January 2022 Transfer Window

[e20too]

If he can cope with losing Wayne Rooney I'm sure he'll find a way to build a team when Declan decides to move on!

Two years so far to find a striker who knows if and when an adequate replacement for Rice could take to the pitch. And that’s on top of the substantial recruits needed to get or being positive maintain top 6. Anyway not just Rice there’s Bowen too and maybe even Soucek keeping this team together isn’t a given let alone build upon it. There is a balance sensible gradual building has to have a certain momentum or you lose players through one reason or another quicker than you can replace or improve upon them. It’s a delicate balance and if nothing is achieved this window to strengthen then the Summer window will be crucial for any plan let alone a drawn out 5 year one. And Summer is going to be a very competitive window you can guarantee and if we don’t have European football I see no reason to presume we come out of it stronger than going into it.

[duncanio]

Claret&Hugh saying don't expect any signings they've been pretty reliable so far its pretty obvious were not signing anyone they club will wheel out the usual excuses I guess Moyes is going to keep hes powder dry until January 2028 then

Obvious we're not signing anyone? When is the last window that we didn't sign or loan someone?

[bubbles1966]

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[paulhs1]

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Pay the money.

[e20too]

Depends how you define it. He had been their great hope since the age of nine. Imagine having a guy rated as the best young player in the world and then losing him.

He was only in the senior team a couple of seasons but his impact was massive. Played nearly 80 games and scored nearly 20 goals.

So was a great loss then. But in reality was still living off potential rather than the finished article. Rice is substantially more an important cog for us and more mature as a player generally and proven during our upturn to be one of the best midfielders in the Country. No team, even a top one, would easily replace him. For us it would be a massive hit to our building/rebuilding process when in all reality we are playing well above our parts very much due to crucial players like him in the side. I trust Moyes but he isn’t the bloody Messiah.

[e20too]

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‘No longer’ what does that mean as a nuanced message beyond the literal.

[Ironing Board]

So was a great loss then. But in reality was still living off potential rather than the finished article. Rice is substantially more an important cog for us and more mature as a player generally and proven during our upturn to be one of the best midfielders in the Country. No team, even a top one, would easily replace him. For us it would be a massive hit to our building/rebuilding process when in all reality we are playing well above our parts very much due to crucial players like him in the side. I trust Moyes but he isn’t the bloody Messiah.

No, he was the star of the Euros. He then went to Man Utd and scored a hat-trick on his debut, or something crazy like that.

Rice is a brilliant player but Rooney was on a whole different level.

An imperfect comparison, but was like Southampton losing peak Matt Le Tissier.

Amazingly Everton qualified for the Champions League that season while they had been tipped for relegation.

[The Straw]

Everton did alright after they sold Rooney didn't they? Did Moyes get the full transfer fee to reinvest? Our boy ain't going anywhere in a hurry anyway!

[CarltonColesLeftFoot]

Two years so far to find a striker who knows if and when an adequate replacement for Rice could take to the pitch.

Why do we keep saying two years now? It's been one year.

[Ironing Board]

Everton did alright after they sold Rooney didn't they? Did Moyes get the full transfer fee to reinvest? Our boy ain't going anywhere in a hurry anyway!

No - they were up to their eyeballs in debt :lol: :lol:

They brought in about 23M in fees that season and Moyes spent just over 8M

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[e20too]

116 yard par 3 and he's dropped it next to the pin with a sand wedge

I suspect 116 yards is a little risky with a pond in front, he probably resisted the urge and laid up short. Big question is does he overthink it and take a divot on the next shot and roll it into the water no doubt wondering to himself why he wasn't more cautious.

[stu1]

Rooney was no where near as important to that Everton side as Rice is to us now.

Rooney was still very much developing and establishing himself in the team. Rice is the heart beat of our team who rarely misses a minute and about 4 years further into his career.

To pretend losing Rice would not blow a huge monumental hole in our building process is foolish. We’d need a fantastic window just to stand still, let alone continue to improve. When a club has momentum it needs to take the opportunity, not sit back and wait a couple of years to act.

[Ironing Board]

Rooney was no where near as important to that Everton side as Rice is to us now.

Rooney was still very much developing and establishing himself in the team. Rice is the heart beat of our team who rarely misses a minute and about 4 years further into his career.

To pretend losing Rice would not blow a huge monumental hole in our building process is foolish. We’d need a fantastic window just to stand still, let alone continue to improve. When a club has momentum it needs to take the opportunity, not sit back and wait a couple of years to act.

80 games in two seasons and he was establishing himself? The Everton fans were absolutely up in arms about it! He was literally the best English player since Paul Gascoigne, and went on to have a better career.

[Peaches]

Less than a week to go in the transfer window and things are starting to happen. Looks like Vlahovic will be going to Juve, but they will have to raise some of the €80M, and Fiorentina look to be signing Cabral as a replacement. Also that probably means Morata goes back to Atletico taking them out of the striker market. Martial to Sevilla could see En Nesyri become available, and more willing to leave, being behind Martial and Rafa Mir. We’ve tried for En Nesyri at least twice already so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s third time lucky, especially if none of our other targets seem likely. As far as Calvert Lewin goes, I can see him leaving ( not necessarily to us) as Everton need to sell for FFP and real reasons, and Vlahovic to Juventus probably means Moise Kean back to Everton if not now then definitely in the summer. It will be an interesting next 6 days.
With respect to Caleta-Car. Signing him should be a no brainer. Apart from being home grown and having played in the premier league he ticks all Moyes boxes. He’s 6’4, two footed, a left sided centre back who is good in the air and on the ball. He’s got plenty of experience in the Champions league and Europa league and 20 caps for Croatia - the same Croatia that made the last World Cup final. He’s 25 and made over 250 international and top league appearances. More importantly he is available and at £15M is affordable bordering on a steal. He has similar pedigree to Zouma, and with all due respect to Angelo, is an upgrade on Ogbonna let alone Diop. If we don’t sign him (or someone better) it will be a big disappointment.

[Ironing Board]

When you put it like that Peaches!

[stu1]

80 games in two seasons and he was establishing himself? The Everton fans were absolutely up in arms about it! He was literally the best English player since Paul Gascoigne, and went on to have a better career.

How well his career went in future is irrelevant to the conversation, the point is how important was he to Everton when he left. Everton weren’t replacing the 24 year old Rooney who played for Man U.

When Rooney was sold he was certainly still establishing himself, unless you think Rooney was near his peak scoring 6 and 9 premier league goals in a season?

Rice is arguably the best midfielder in the prem, whilst Rooney was yet to hit double figures in the league. Any striker as comparably as good as Rice in their position is scoring 20+ league goals.

[duncanio]

I personally think Rooney / Rice is a fair comparison in terms of perceived importance to the team.
Iirc Moyes still did brilliantly without him. That's not a contradiction but a testament to Moyes' skills and ability.

[duncanio]

How well his career went in future is irrelevant to the conversation, the point is how important was he to Everton when he left. Everton weren’t replacing the 24 year old Rooney who played for Man U.

When Rooney was sold he was certainly still establishing himself, unless you think Rooney was near his peak scoring 6 and 9 premier league goals in a season?

Rice is arguably the best midfielder in the prem, whilst Rooney was yet to hit double figures in the league. Any striker as comparably as good as Rice in their position is scoring 20+ league goals.

More to Rooney's game than goals. He was a standard out player, playing brilliantly and scoring some great goals iirc.

[Ironing Board]

How well his career went in future is irrelevant to the conversation, the point is how important was he to Everton when he left. Everton weren’t replacing the 24 year old Rooney who played for Man U.

When Rooney was sold he was certainly still establishing himself, unless you think Rooney was near his peak scoring 6 and 9 premier league goals in a season?

Rice is arguably the best midfielder in the prem, whilst Rooney was yet to hit double figures in the league. Any striker as comparably as good as Rice in their position is scoring 20+ league goals.

Rice is nowhere near the best midfielder in the league. He is arguably the best defensive midfielder in the league though. He is a first class player who will probably reach heights similar to Lampard and Gerrard if he continues to develop. That is a great level for any player.

But Rooney was a generational talent. He is in that top rung of British players with the likes of Best, Law and Dalglish.

[stu1]

I personally think Rooney / Rice is a fair comparison in terms of perceived importance to the team.
Iirc Moyes still did brilliantly without him. That's not a contradiction but a testament to Moyes' skills and ability.

It’s nonsense.

Rooney scored 9 league goals in his last season at Everton and contributed 1 assist. That’s hardly irreplaceable.

Meanwhile Antonio has scored 8 and assisted 7 this season, despite us being just over half way through the season.

Rice is far more crucial to us than Rooney ever was Everton. Rooney could have been just as important or possibly more important if he’d stayed, but he didn’t he left during the infancy of his career.

It’s an insult to Rice to claim otherwise and completely revisionary.