West Ham Utd 1-1 Brighton & Hove Albion (1/12/21)

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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread

Post by Wilko1304 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:20 pm

Masuaku is going to get more heavily criticised because he makes consistent errors, he has flaws that are exposed often and isn’t having the positive contribution to give him any credit.

Lying about his mistakes doesn’t help anyone forgive them. Being blind to the above is foolish.

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Post by irving boleyn » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:20 pm

Seemed they were always receiving the ball in space whilst when we received it we had half a team to beat.

With a relatively strong defence it seemed not appropriate to have Bowen and Benny playing as auxilliary fullbacks.

Not a surprising performance...our successes have generally been defence led and again as last week two crucial players from that defence were missing. We've known that we have one good starting eleven which gels but without 2 of it's components we're back to average.

Benny and Bowen need a lot of opportunities to have a successful moment and without that solid base being in place they're not getting it.

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Post by kentishiron » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:20 pm

I honestly think without VAR that goal stands 99/100 times. However if the ball touched Antonio then it was rightly over ruled.

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Post by ageing hammer » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:21 pm

I'm confused, if Duffy scores an own goal how is Antonio offside even if Duffys back heel touches Antonio.?

Is the rule changed?

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Post by Doc H Ball » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:22 pm

Jonah wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:11 pm
Any talk of 'they had to find something' / 'we are getting too close to the top of the league' is just mindless waffle. :winker:
You clearly weren’t at Cardiff when Gerrard scored from that throw in.

Had you of been you would have seen the skies part and a giant index finger come down and give you the bird.

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Post by kentishiron » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:24 pm

ageing hammer wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:21 pm
I'm confused, if Duffy scores an own goal how is Antonio offside even if Duffys back heel touches Antonio.?

Is the rule changed?
It wasn’t an own goal as the ball was heading in before the touch from Duffy, which wasn’t intentional as it was as he was landing.

No the rule is as it was, and if the ball touched Antonio it was rightly overruled.

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Post by ToiletDuck » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:28 pm

Benny looked like he was trying to hard last night and Bowen just needs something to click, surprised we didnt see Vaslic on though

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Post by Billy Hunt » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:28 pm

I'd be amazed if any lino would have flagged it offside, too much going on in there, players everywhere etc. It took the VAR guy an age to 100% decide with all the wizardry at his fingertips. You only hope that every decision is treated the same, regardless of the clubs and players involved.

Whilst VAR is there to correct clear and obvious mistakes, offside decisions seem to be overruled at the most granular level.

As others have said, if Antonio touched the ball it is the correct decision as he was in an offside position when Dawson moved the ball forward.

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Post by MB » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:28 pm

Wilko1304 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:20 pm
Masuaku is going to get more heavily criticised because he makes consistent errors, he has flaws that are exposed often and isn’t having the positive contribution to give him any credit.

Lying about his mistakes doesn’t help anyone forgive them. Being blind to the above is foolish.
Yes but other than being a liability defensively and offering nothing in attack, what is your problem with him?

On a different note we really missed Cresswell yesterday. It feels like his crosses are the only time we get the ball behind the opposition’s defensive line at times. Masuaku gave us that width when he came on, but the end product was frankly laughable.

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Post by fjthegrey » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:31 pm

I thought Antonio was offside and the fact he's about an inch away from touching the ball (it may have even touched him) means he's interfering with play.

Correct, annoying decision. Not really sure where the debate is.

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Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:33 pm

BigFatSam wrote:
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Over the last season and a half we have majorly had the rub of the green with VAR.
I can't name one incorrect VAR decision in out favour - I'm sure there must be one, but... nope... I'd be able to reel off a quick half dozen poor decisions that VAR could have easily awarded our way though, or dubious decisions against us - from this season.

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Post by Wilko1304 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:34 pm

Mildly concerned that Bowen struggled to finish from inside on the right.

Sure, rueful smile as my argument about him not being a striker is proven somewhat correct, but I fear the time in the middle is now hurting his usual game scoring from that more diagonal position. It's a slightly different skill, and I worry his confidence has been hit on finished and it's changed his more natural and instinctive game on the wider ones.

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Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:34 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:31 pm
I thought Antonio was offside and the fact he's about an inch away from touching the ball (it may have even touched him) means he's interfering with play.
No, it doesn't.

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Post by sendô » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 pm

Blimey there’s some knicker wetting in here.

It wasn’t a terrible result overall. Brighton deserved a point and the stats reflect that. The most worrying thing for me was how awful Antonio was, and that Moyes took so long to bring Lanzini on despite it being clear we needed more control in the middle.

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Post by Wilko1304 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 pm

Also think Diop would be slaughtered for the defending Dawson did on their goal (and that big Lallana chance).

The Lallana chance is a typical one we give the opposition. Defend the box deep, but allow too much space on the edge.

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Post by Doc H Ball » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:31 pm
I thought Antonio was offside and the fact he's about an inch away from touching the ball (it may have even touched him) means he's interfering with play.

Correct, annoying decision. Not really sure where the debate is.
There’s more debates about it than in a transgender conference at E Sussex Uni.

Was it a foul? Was it handball? Did Antonio touch it? Was the second defender not level?

As for the interfering with play, how so if he doesn’t touch it and it’s an own goal? The goalie was nowhere near so it’s not like Antonio was blocking his view or movement, which is the general situation when a goal is ruled out for such.

All of those need to have been clearly and wrongly judged by the ref apart from the offside line call.
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Post by Billy Hunt » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:37 pm

MB wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:28 pm
Yes but other than being a liability defensively and offering nothing in attack, what is your problem with him?

On a different note we really missed Cresswell yesterday. It feels like his crosses are the only time we get the ball behind the opposition’s defensive line at times. Masuaku gave us that width when he came on, but the end product was frankly laughable.
Indeed, and he slotted in well in that respect !

Most players tend to need a bit of a run of games to find form and he hasn't had that. Lingard last season being a high profile exception to that, but he is a different level

Spot on re Cresswell's delivery being a huge miss.

What I hope comes from this is some peoples expectation levels become a bit more realistic for the season.

Surely there's not a single supporter out there who wouldn't have taken our league, Europe and cup situations where they are currently at this stage of the season ?

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Post by fjthegrey » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:38 pm

Crossd_Hammrs wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:34 pm
No, it doesn't.
Christ, alright dude, only offering an opinion!

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Post by S-H » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:40 pm

In Masuaku's defence, he hasn't had too many minutes this season, he's the sort of player who would benefit from a run games in the side.

Regardless of this though, the fact Moyes went with Johnson over Arthur, probably tells you all you need to know..

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Post by EastleighHammer16 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:40 pm

The way Antonio ran off celebrating is enough for me to be certain he touched it.

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