EL: West Ham Utd 0-1 Dinamo Zagreb (9/12/21)
Moderator: Gnome
- r99c
- Posts: 4971
- Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:58 pm
- Location: Essex
- Has liked: 682 likes
- Total likes: 392 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Our youngsters did well and can be proud of themselves.
Disappointing performances from Yarmo (strange as he played well the last time I saw him) and Vlasic were a shame to see as you'd hope they would be busting a gut to be considered for the first time.
Other than that, I really don't think you can take much out of this game whatsoever. Very much a get it out the way job and roll on Burnley.
Disappointing performances from Yarmo (strange as he played well the last time I saw him) and Vlasic were a shame to see as you'd hope they would be busting a gut to be considered for the first time.
Other than that, I really don't think you can take much out of this game whatsoever. Very much a get it out the way job and roll on Burnley.
- Eggchaser
- Posts: 5679
- Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 2:24 pm
- Location: Sowfampton
- Has liked: 1862 likes
- Total likes: 459 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Eggchaser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:33 pm I thought Ashby and Longello did well especially going forward.
Back four did pretty well as a unit.
Kral did a decent job at breaking things up in midfield, but we didn't create enough. Which is not really surprising given the line up and the fact they scored so early.
The young lads can be proud of themselves, none of them let themselves down.
- Eggchaser
- Posts: 5679
- Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 2:24 pm
- Location: Sowfampton
- Has liked: 1862 likes
- Total likes: 459 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Bloody spell check.
I did well with editing my post too, managed to quote myself instead
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Minutes for the fringe players, experience for the youngsters, no nightmare debuts and no injuries. Job done. We move onto Sunday.
Irons.
Irons.
- DannyboyDJL
- Posts: 5547
- Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:59 pm
- Has liked: 40 likes
- Total likes: 200 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
He looks technically ok, but Longelo was more of a threat than him tonight. I've said this many times now, but he's the 4th most expensive player in our history. He looks exactly how Anderson looked in the end, but runs a bit more. Safe passes, doesn't make anything happen, trots around. I watched him for Croatia when we signed him and he's exactly the same. A nothing player.stu1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:20 pm I take your point but Vlasic needs to be braver, he looks to be lacking confidence. Whereas Benny was a bit of a show pony with no end product. The similarity for me is you can tell both have potential (I do think Vlasic looks tidy) but neither were/are actively contributing.
Maybe a hybrid of Benny and Fornals would be a better comparison.
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Moyes hasn’t got many signings wrong since he’s been with us and although he’s not firing on all cylinders right now, I still trust that he’s got this one right and he will come good at some point.DannyboyDJL wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:41 pm He looks technically ok, but Longelo was more of a threat than him tonight. I've said this many times now, but he's the 4th most expensive player in our history. He looks exactly how Anderson looked in the end, but runs a bit more. Safe passes, doesn't make anything happen, trots around. I watched him for Croatia when we signed him and he's exactly the same. A nothing player.
- stu1
- Posts: 12525
- Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:57 pm
- Has liked: 658 likes
- Total likes: 1024 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
I can’t claim to have seen him before we signed him and I do agree we seem to have played a lot for someone who isn’t showing a huge amount.DannyboyDJL wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:41 pm He looks technically ok, but Longelo was more of a threat than him tonight. I've said this many times now, but he's the 4th most expensive player in our history. He looks exactly how Anderson looked in the end, but runs a bit more. Safe passes, doesn't make anything happen, trots around. I watched him for Croatia when we signed him and he's exactly the same. A nothing player.
I would like to see him playing more minutes with our full team though. When our front 6 includes Yarmy, Nobles, Kral and a 17 year old it’s difficult to judge him.
He did have a good record in Russia with both goals and assists, so I’d hope he has something about him but just needs time to adapt.
- Collison Theory
- Posts: 1824
- Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:36 pm
- Has liked: 18 likes
- Total likes: 24 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
I'm definitely not as down on Vlasic as most seem to be, he clearly has a lot of quality, I don't see any reason he can't settle into being a decent player for us.
Not surprised to see our under 23s are top of the league. Baptiste is the one I'm most excited about, I've heard good things, I know he's involved with the England set up. All five of the young starters are London boys, which is great to see too.
Not surprised to see our under 23s are top of the league. Baptiste is the one I'm most excited about, I've heard good things, I know he's involved with the England set up. All five of the young starters are London boys, which is great to see too.
-
- Posts: 15811
- Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:01 pm
- Has liked: 25 likes
- Total likes: 744 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Let's hope he comes good
A friendly match fir us .
Longello the MOTM fir me.
A friendly match fir us .
Longello the MOTM fir me.
- mattjp
- Posts: 2736
- Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:15 am
- Location: Chelmsford
- Has liked: 29 likes
- Total likes: 44 likes
- Contact:
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Thought Longelo was exceptional. I’d never seen him play before, but the way he was always looking to do something positive every time he received the ball was great.
- Cuenca 'ammer
- ex 'ouston 'ammer
- Posts: 40715
- Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:19 pm
- Location: Journey to the dead of night. High on a hill in Eldorado
- Has liked: 1903 likes
- Total likes: 1613 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
stu1
completely agree. difficult to judge but his technique is very good imvho.
having Yarmo on today's showing and Perkins ahead of you didn't bode well for movement off the ball so imvho his options were very limited indeed.
it also looked like Noble and Kral were instructed to sit as deep as possible to protect the youngsters. at least that's how I saw it.
without Rice we had no one pushing on running with the ball. and without Yarmo and Perkins running around and pulling defenders out of position, it was very easy for the Zagreb defenders to sit deep and take away all of the passing lanes with ease.
bit like what we do to most teams when we play with our first XI - sit deep break up the play, but they didn't offer the complete counter that we do, but did from time to time. after they scored they were even more in a shell and protecting what would get them into the next round.
as I say just mvho and based on nothing other than what I thought I saw on the telly.
completely agree. difficult to judge but his technique is very good imvho.
having Yarmo on today's showing and Perkins ahead of you didn't bode well for movement off the ball so imvho his options were very limited indeed.
it also looked like Noble and Kral were instructed to sit as deep as possible to protect the youngsters. at least that's how I saw it.
without Rice we had no one pushing on running with the ball. and without Yarmo and Perkins running around and pulling defenders out of position, it was very easy for the Zagreb defenders to sit deep and take away all of the passing lanes with ease.
bit like what we do to most teams when we play with our first XI - sit deep break up the play, but they didn't offer the complete counter that we do, but did from time to time. after they scored they were even more in a shell and protecting what would get them into the next round.
as I say just mvho and based on nothing other than what I thought I saw on the telly.
-
- Posts: 1454
- Joined: Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:12 pm
- Has liked: 303 likes
- Total likes: 109 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Ashby and Longelo excellent, both centre backs would benefit from Dawson or another recognised centre back alongside them, disappointed with the regular first team players, thought they should have done more.
- OohAahButler
- Posts: 1772
- Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:52 pm
- Has liked: 561 likes
- Total likes: 288 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Looked about the same in the stadium, CuencaCuenca 'ammer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:57 pm stu1
completely agree. difficult to judge but his technique is very good imvho.
having Yarmo on today's showing and Perkins ahead of you didn't bode well for movement off the ball so imvho his options were very limited indeed.
it also looked like Noble and Kral were instructed to sit as deep as possible to protect the youngsters. at least that's how I saw it.
without Rice we had no one pushing on running with the ball. and without Yarmo and Perkins running around and pulling defenders out of position, it was very easy for the Zagreb defenders to sit deep and take away all of the passing lanes with ease.
bit like what we do to most teams when we play with our first XI - sit deep break up the play, but they didn't offer the complete counter that we do, but did from time to time. after they scored they were even more in a shell and protecting what would get them into the next round.
as I say just mvho and based on nothing other than what I thought I saw on the telly.
- Metal Hammer
- Posts: 6014
- Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:28 pm
- Location: The Beast from the East is Rising
- Has liked: 1153 likes
- Total likes: 897 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Good to see the youngsters given some valuable experience. Pick of the bunch were the 2 full backs.
Want to see Vlasic do well but it's still not happening for him.
Benrahma came on and showed why he lost his place to Lanzini - crap
Yarmo and Noble running in treacle.
Kral was busy and doing the running of 2 men, my MOTM.
Want to see Vlasic do well but it's still not happening for him.
Benrahma came on and showed why he lost his place to Lanzini - crap
Yarmo and Noble running in treacle.
Kral was busy and doing the running of 2 men, my MOTM.
- Paddy O'Hammer
- Posts: 11132
- Joined: Wed May 23, 2007 10:57 am
- Location: Dublin, Ireland
- Has liked: 508 likes
- Total likes: 162 likes
- Contact:
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Anyone come across any photos of the group shot of the youngsters just after the match ended?
- r99c
- Posts: 4971
- Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:58 pm
- Location: Essex
- Has liked: 682 likes
- Total likes: 392 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Off the TV - I'm sure the actual photo will be somewhere soon:Paddy O'Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:26 pm Anyone come across any photos of the group shot of the youngsters just after the match ended?
This one's good, them with Nobes
and
-
- Posts: 73
- Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:45 pm
- Total likes: 18 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Just got back from the game, Longelo was excellent, defended well and very positive and creative going forward, the best of the youngsters. Yarmo looked disinterested, Kral did some decent interceptions but gave the ball away too much, not convinced by him.
- hammer1975
- Posts: 16641
- Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 10:16 pm
- Has liked: 934 likes
- Total likes: 1089 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Just in. Atmosphere in the stadium defo felt like a friendly.
Think all the youngsters can feel very proud - each of them showed they’ve got something by playing themselves out of trouble, covering for each other, showing good touches and reading the game. I think anyone of them could feasibly be in the first team if they carry on improving. If I had one criticism it’s that they could all do with bulking up and being more physical. I think they all lost a couple of duels through that lack of weight or know-how of using your frame. Could see a few championship teams being keen to loan them in January - especially Longelo and Ashby. It’s a bit tougher for CB’s.
Areola made a couple of good saves, solid claims and one solid punch.
That’s about all the good stuff……
Yarmo was dog rubbish, Vlasic is tidy but seemed to get less involved the longer the game went on, Kral routinely made a great challenge to get the ball and then preceded to give it away with his next touch. And can someone please tell Mark Noble that he may be a legend but can he please never take corners ever again.
Think all the youngsters can feel very proud - each of them showed they’ve got something by playing themselves out of trouble, covering for each other, showing good touches and reading the game. I think anyone of them could feasibly be in the first team if they carry on improving. If I had one criticism it’s that they could all do with bulking up and being more physical. I think they all lost a couple of duels through that lack of weight or know-how of using your frame. Could see a few championship teams being keen to loan them in January - especially Longelo and Ashby. It’s a bit tougher for CB’s.
Areola made a couple of good saves, solid claims and one solid punch.
That’s about all the good stuff……
Yarmo was dog rubbish, Vlasic is tidy but seemed to get less involved the longer the game went on, Kral routinely made a great challenge to get the ball and then preceded to give it away with his next touch. And can someone please tell Mark Noble that he may be a legend but can he please never take corners ever again.
- Billydinho
- Posts: 17261
- Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:18 pm
- Location: Piss Making.
- Has liked: 174 likes
- Total likes: 767 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Stood and applauded their goal. What a peach.
Baptiste looked the most assured of the kids. Longelo got better as Ashby got worse (think booting the corner flag knocked him). Perkins was disappointing, well as disappointing as a seventeen year old with no expectation on his shoulders can be.
All in all, felt like a friendly. To be honest I used tonight as an excuse to see my mates and have a few beers with my dad. The game probably past me by.
Other than Kral. He didn’t. My god he was terrible.
Baptiste looked the most assured of the kids. Longelo got better as Ashby got worse (think booting the corner flag knocked him). Perkins was disappointing, well as disappointing as a seventeen year old with no expectation on his shoulders can be.
All in all, felt like a friendly. To be honest I used tonight as an excuse to see my mates and have a few beers with my dad. The game probably past me by.
Other than Kral. He didn’t. My god he was terrible.
- iLoveLasagne
- Posts: 3796
- Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:17 am
- Has liked: 204 likes
- Total likes: 216 likes
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Dinamo Zagreb: match thread
Everyone was worried that throwing too many youngsters on would be akin to hanging them out to dry. Ironically it was the senior players who let the youngsters down instead I feel.
They must look at some of their senior colleagues and wonder what's so special about them.
They must look at some of their senior colleagues and wonder what's so special about them.