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I suppose that it depends on Putins end goal, if he can secure his boarders and obtain the sea ports Happy days for him.

My concern is just how much he has Germany in his pocket, even the flights over there of military hardware wasn't allowed in German airspace, so much for European solidarity.
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Well, it looks like Biden has just given Putin the green light for a "minor incursion" to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60061300

"What you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades and it depends on what it does," he said. "It's one thing if it's a minor incursion, and then we end up having to fight about what to do and not do etc."
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https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproj ... er-ukraine

Seems quite worrying as those most likelyfeeling threatenedare not to be part of the talks (Baltics, Poland, etc. ).
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Allegedly, older Ukrainians are more likely to be in favour of a return to Russian 'rule'. Younger Ukrainians, not so much.
Questions for me are: what does Putin want exactly & why?
At least it won't be a nuclear war. Putin isn't stupid.
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Putin just seems to want everything back how it was before the union broke up and as usual kicks off when his ratings start to slide.
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Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:25 am I suppose that it depends on Putins end goal, if he can secure his boarders and obtain the sea ports Happy days for him.

My concern is just how much he has Germany in his pocket, even the flights over there of military hardware wasn't allowed in German airspace, so much for European solidarity.
This is untrue and has been debunked
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smuts wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:24 pm Putin just seems to want everything back how it was before the union broke up and as usual kicks off when his ratings start to slide.
He's probably knackered all the bears in Russia, he can't go round wrestling anymore, so needed to find a new hobby.
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YGNB wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:27 pm This is untrue and has been debunked
You got any links?
Edit: wouldn't be at all surprised if it is a load of old bull-locks.
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Coming out of a pandemic (touch wood) and now this stuck in the cold war jumped up gangster wants to potentially start World War 3.
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Q: What does Putin want?
A: Remain in power, and secure his wealth

If you look at a map of Russia, you see that in the west it borders the EU (Finland, the Baltic States, Poland), Ukraine, Georgia.
All these countries are, or want to go fully Democratic, with free elections, free press, free judical, the works.

This is the really simple reason for him to stoke the fires of war, to have a non-functioning quasi-state in part of Moldova (Transnistria) or Ukraine (Donetsk People's Republic & Luhansk People's Republic) or Georgia (South-Ossetia, Abkhazia).

Putin is so scared of losing grip on the countries who isolate Russia, that he let Azerbaijan reclaim large parts of Nagorno-Karabakh, when the Armenian electorate chose a different candidate than someone he was comfortable with.
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Ukraine President not happy with Sleepy Joe, unsurprisingly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60072502

"There are no minor incursions. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones."
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Rishi Sunak
Alok Sharma
Theresa Villiers
Mark Pritchard
Brandon Lewis


Any of these prominent Tory MPs had much to say about what's happening?
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sendô wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:27 pm Ukraine President not happy with Sleepy Joe, unsurprisingly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60072502

"There are no minor incursions. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones."
I do wonder what Ukraine should do if Russia invades, surrender before it starts to save lives in a war they can't win or fight for every bit of land, and will putin start destroying everything if it gets really messy
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They'll fight.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:29 am Rishi Sunak
Alok Sharma
Theresa Villiers
Mark Pritchard
Brandon Lewis


Any of these prominent Tory MPs had much to say about what's happening?
Surely it's just as relevent to hear their views on the death of Meatloaf and the successful reintroduction of Red Kites...........?
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delbert wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:58 pm Surely it's just as relevent to hear their views on the death of Meatloaf and the successful reintroduction of Red Kites...........?
If Meat Loaf's business partners and the RSPCB had made large donations to their campaigns and constituency Conservative organisations then I'd be inclined to agree.

Must be a difficult decision for the Conservative's to have any strong position on this when there are millions of pounds of donations at stake.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:53 pm If Meat Loaf's business partners and the RSPCB had made large donations to their campaigns and constituency Conservative organisations then I'd be inclined to agree.

Must be a difficult decision for the Conservative's to have any strong position on this when there are millions of pounds of donations at stake.
Or not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60078959

Of course Putin could be risking war and all what goes with it to deflect attention away from BJ's party shenanigans, what with them being bestie's and that......
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:29 am Rishi Sunak
Alok Sharma
Theresa Villiers
Mark Pritchard
Brandon Lewis


Any of these prominent Tory MPs had much to say about what's happening?
Fear not, Liz 'The Brains' Truss has already told Vlad off..
Quaking, he is...
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UK starting to pull embassy staff out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60106416

War seemingly imminent. Looking more and more like Russia is going to invade the whole country from 3 sides.

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