I suspect 6th and 7th in consecutive seasons might suggest which option is “clear favourite”. The traditional “soft centre” West Ham hardly achieved this.Crouchend_Hammer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:24 am I agree Bubbles. Diop is a decent ayer IMHO and has been messed about a bit
That seems to be one of Moyes' failings. If your face doesn't fit then there is not much scope to improve your position in the eyes of the manager. You know you are not ever really going to be in his good books whatever you do. He is pretty old skool in that respect. My way or the highway. This obviously benefits some players and can be q positive when all going well but also clearly hinders other players qnd creates issues when things not so rosy
Think Vlasic, Diop, Benny, Kral, Haller etc
Whereas 'blood and snotters' types (Dawson, Creswell, Soucek, fornals to q certain extent) are clear favourite
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I expect Diop and Vlasic out this week with hopefully Szalai signed in time for Forest
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Every single time iv seen Szalai play he's been the absolute b******* would love him here
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Forget yesterday, firstly it was Citeh, secondly nowhere near the side Moyes wants. But we need his side in the next fortnight to avoid playing catch up.
Said it on the Forest thread I think he wants to be able to go 3 4 3 or 4 3 3 rather than always 4 231. Bowen Scamacca and Cornet give him a fast mobile front line, we need to add another pacy attacker to Antonio for the bench and rotation. As a few have said on here Benny is fast losing confidence and interest, he was never Moyes man, if Forest pony up £25m let him go, but too late for Sunday
Replace him with someone like Deng from Marseille or the lad in the news from PSG.
Moyes goes for big athletes more than artists, a cm who is a better footballer than Soucek changes the balance, I think that was the medium term Onana plan, with that gone Sangare or Fofana who looked very strong for Lens against us are ideal, physicality is still there, passing rates much better, Soucek stays plus the new boy with Declan to give us rotation, Downes being 4 th choice to see how he develops.
Our biggest issues are at the back, time has caught up with us, even if Aguerd was fit we have two ageing cbs in Oggy & Daws, and Diop has checked out, annoying as I think he’d be ideal as right of 3 quick cb’s in a higher line. We need at least one quality Cb in now, so Szalai or maybe Milenkovic this week please, not the injury prone error riddled freebie Zagadou however much “ freebie” tempts Sullivan!
Still most importantly for me is the need for a far more athletic lb / lwb, Cress was OK ish yesterday because Citeh focussed on our right very cleverly negating Bowen as an attacking threat, but while he can still do a support role against lesser opposition Cress is nowhere near a Top8 squad, he’s been a great servant but time waits for no man, we have to replace him now.
Ideally we can sell Diop, Benny, Vlasic, Randolph & Coventry to raise best part of £50m. Presuming there’s somewhere around £30-40m left ( if not where was Onana cash from ) we might just about get Deng, Sangare, Szalai and Sosa in a perfect world, giving Moyes a dramatically stronger squad than he’s ever had here.
The last minute substitutions of Downes and Coventry were a clear signal yesterday, Moyes knows we have money, and his patience is running out, I’d expect some activity this week.
Said it on the Forest thread I think he wants to be able to go 3 4 3 or 4 3 3 rather than always 4 231. Bowen Scamacca and Cornet give him a fast mobile front line, we need to add another pacy attacker to Antonio for the bench and rotation. As a few have said on here Benny is fast losing confidence and interest, he was never Moyes man, if Forest pony up £25m let him go, but too late for Sunday
Replace him with someone like Deng from Marseille or the lad in the news from PSG.
Moyes goes for big athletes more than artists, a cm who is a better footballer than Soucek changes the balance, I think that was the medium term Onana plan, with that gone Sangare or Fofana who looked very strong for Lens against us are ideal, physicality is still there, passing rates much better, Soucek stays plus the new boy with Declan to give us rotation, Downes being 4 th choice to see how he develops.
Our biggest issues are at the back, time has caught up with us, even if Aguerd was fit we have two ageing cbs in Oggy & Daws, and Diop has checked out, annoying as I think he’d be ideal as right of 3 quick cb’s in a higher line. We need at least one quality Cb in now, so Szalai or maybe Milenkovic this week please, not the injury prone error riddled freebie Zagadou however much “ freebie” tempts Sullivan!
Still most importantly for me is the need for a far more athletic lb / lwb, Cress was OK ish yesterday because Citeh focussed on our right very cleverly negating Bowen as an attacking threat, but while he can still do a support role against lesser opposition Cress is nowhere near a Top8 squad, he’s been a great servant but time waits for no man, we have to replace him now.
Ideally we can sell Diop, Benny, Vlasic, Randolph & Coventry to raise best part of £50m. Presuming there’s somewhere around £30-40m left ( if not where was Onana cash from ) we might just about get Deng, Sangare, Szalai and Sosa in a perfect world, giving Moyes a dramatically stronger squad than he’s ever had here.
The last minute substitutions of Downes and Coventry were a clear signal yesterday, Moyes knows we have money, and his patience is running out, I’d expect some activity this week.
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Vlasic hasn't done anything bad enough to suggest he shouldn't be getting a chance in a position that others are doing nothing to cement. Infact, I actually like the fact Vlasic is capable of offering a threat and arriving into the box. It's ridiculous how underused he's been. To snub him for the likes of Coventry Yesterday is madness.
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Don't really know anything about Szalai but he looks like a nutcase so for that reason get him in.
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The issue for me is that it is short termism to move on a 25 year old CB first when we have older, injury prone ones at the club who are clearly reaching the point where their time is up. It most certainly would not have been my choice.Crouchend_Hammer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:24 am I agree Bubbles. Diop is a decent ayer IMHO and has been messed about a bit
That seems to be one of Moyes' failings. If your face doesn't fit then there is not much scope to improve your position in the eyes of the manager. You know you are not ever really going to be in his good books whatever you do. He is pretty old skool in that respect. My way or the highway. This obviously benefits some players and can be q positive when all going well but also clearly hinders other players qnd creates issues when things not so rosy
Think Vlasic, Diop, Benny, Kral, Haller etc
Whereas 'blood and snotters' types (Dawson, Creswell, Soucek, fornals to q certain extent) are clear favourite
I sympathise about the characterisation of certain players. You know which players are almost a guarantee of an own goal or an opposition penalty in a big game.
I'm pretty disappointed with the way our defensive restructure has been dealt so far with this year.
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I agree but we have three players for the central attacking midfield role and he is the most likely to be sold oppose to Fornals or Lanzini.il_martello_di_genovesi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:37 am Vlasic hasn't done anything bad enough to suggest he shouldn't be getting a chance in a position that others are doing nothing to cement. Infact, I actually like the fact Vlasic is capable of offering a threat and arriving into the box. It's ridiculous how underused he's been. To snub him for the likes of Coventry Yesterday is madness.
One of those three out for a RW option makes more sense balance wise.
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Coady to Everton by all accounts
Trying to remain positive but can see this window fizzeling out
Trying to remain positive but can see this window fizzeling out
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just would be nice to see him given a go in that position , although it does seem his time has run out
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The team had a golden spell that lasted just over a year, but started to go off around about last November.
When Moyes talks openly about it all being a bit stale, then you have to consider what that means.
A failure to shake it up a little bit in January must come into play, and as others have alluded, if Scamacca is good enough now, why not January?
The players that have come in are a bit of a mixed bag, in my view. We've done good business to the front line, but huge doubts over what is going on with the midfield and back line.
This team continues to let in two goals at home on a regular basis and is on an atrocious run of results away from home.
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Just to annoy them we should try and get Arnie back to piss them off
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Sully will be eyeing PochettinoBubbles Fortuna wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:24 am May as well sack him now then.
I'm sure Benitez is available.
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And now we need to evolve, not stand still
We need to be better in possession and offer a more balanced attacking style
There is a middle ground between soft-centre and total reliance on pragmatism
Whatever the pathway, i would say Moyes needs to be able to manage squad players more effectively to ensure they stay motivated and committed and thus are able to play to their maximum ability when required - which given the physical and mental requirements of a 60 game season is a certainty. It is not sensible to alienate sections of your squad
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I know patience is not in fashion but this will more than likely be one of the biggest turnovers of players we have had for a while,
Going to be a bedding in period for a few and it might not be instant.
Going to be a bedding in period for a few and it might not be instant.
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