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contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. Those are the next targets for Clarence Thomas.

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Good on you Gavin. The tourist industry is about to get a lot weirder than it already is though.

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WCpete wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:23 am Good on you Gavin. The tourist industry is about to get a lot weirder than it already is though.

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The original decision was bad jurisprudence, which is why it got struck down. Abortion hasn’t actually become illegal. It just means that individual states will make the law on the issue, which is how the US system is meant to work for non-constitutionally protected things.

Basically it is like the EU. One state would be like UK and another would be Germany. Instead of EU law deciding it is now national law deciding.

It is actually more democratic and representative this way. More conservative states can become more restrictive while the liberal states can have even looser regulations.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:27 am The original decision was bad jurisprudence, which is why it got struck down. Abortion hasn’t actually become illegal. It just means that individual states will make the law on the issue, which is how the US system is meant to work for non-constitutionally protected things.

Basically it is like the EU. One state would be like UK and another would be Germany. Instead of EU law deciding it is now national law deciding.

It is actually more democratic and representative this way. More conservative states can become more restrictive while the liberal states can have even looser regulations.
By that you mean outright bans for women?

And how can liberal states have looser regulations? Genuine question.
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Shabu wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:03 am By that you mean outright bans for women?

And how can liberal states have looser regulations? Genuine question.
In California they are floating the idea of abortions right up to just before birth. Some states already have no gestational limits on abortion.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:27 am The original decision was bad jurisprudence, which is why it got struck down. Abortion hasn’t actually become illegal. It just means that individual states will make the law on the issue, which is how the US system is meant to work for non-constitutionally protected things.

Basically it is like the EU. One state would be like UK and another would be Germany. Instead of EU law deciding it is now national law deciding.

It is actually more democratic and representative this way. More conservative states can become more restrictive while the liberal states can have even looser regulations.
Your examples work for 5 mins until you realise the SC, only a few days ago mandated that individual states were not allowed to makes law on the issue of gun restriction but suddenly it is ok for them to do so with female reproductive rights, not to mention it is the blue states that subsidise the red states pretty much.

How long is California going to accept not only being surrounded by red states racing to turn into mini Gilead's but paying for them to do so?
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Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:38 pm Tbf, don't give a damn about them, my concern is about what this means to China?
China can sit back and wait for the US to implode. Won’t have to wait long at the current rate of progress.
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Prob wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:29 pm Biden can't just appoint a judge basically until one dies or retires
Why, though? I get that they're lifetime appointments (mental in itself imo but there we are) but why can't he expand the court? SCOTUS began with six judges, now there are nine. So there's precedent somewhere. I get that it's not ideal packing the court but Trump weaponised it and surely that needs fixing? How have the US wound up with a governmental process whereby a self-serving and obviously compromised opportunist can wreak all sorts of constitutional havoc while he's at the switch but his replacement from across the floor apparently can't do a bloody thing?

The country is ****ed. Properly ****ed.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:27 am The original decision was bad jurisprudence, which is why it got struck down. Abortion hasn’t actually become illegal. It just means that individual states will make the law on the issue, which is how the US system is meant to work for non-constitutionally protected things.

Basically it is like the EU. One state would be like UK and another would be Germany. Instead of EU law deciding it is now national law deciding.

It is actually more democratic and representative this way. More conservative states can become more restrictive while the liberal states can have even looser regulations.
Nonsense. It's a question of interpretation of the 14th Amendment (passed by Congress in 1866).

Under the amendment, the right to due process of law and equal protection of the law applied at both the federal and state levels of government.

In Roe v. Wade, Justice Harry Blackmun said that the supreme court held a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected under the 14th Amendment. In simple terms how can a woman be considered equal to a man if they don't have control over their own body?

Even the three justices nominated by Trump indicated they would protect this constitutional right because it was settled law. This is the first time in history that rather than conveying rights, the court has taken a constitutional right away from the American people, and it is entirely political. The Republican party and it's originalist lawmakers are engaged in the process of dismantling the government, abandoning democracy and embracing minority rule.

Your 'argument' that democracy belongs to the states was the argument the southern Democrats used prior to the Civil War, as state lawmakers limited the vote in their state to a few wealthy white men who's power and wealth depended on human enslavement in a country that claimed "all men are created equal".

Judge Alito says that the court will only protect rights "deeply rooted in this nation's history and tradition" and "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" and yet just yesterday struck down a New York law restricting concealed gun carry deeming it unconstitutional. I see your "bad jurisprudence" and raise you "crap history". Abortion is in fact deeply rooted in US history not only in the far past but in the past 49 years - individual gun rights were not part of the early history of the US.

"This is religious tyranny....in which the right seeks to break through all restraints on government power in an effort to establish a society that aligns with a minority view of America as a white, Christian country" Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:20 am In California they are floating the idea of abortions right up to just before birth.
Do you have a link to this please?
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I do find it hard to get around,that there are women that don't want total control of their body....
While I fundamentally disagree that life... begins at conception...I do see the idealology and thought process behind it,and how people
have that opinion.It's wrong imo but I get it.
But even so a woman must still have the right to determine what happens to her,Numerous reasons how and why a women becomes pregnant,
Most are planned and welcomed..some not so much,we all know the reasons,not the place to go into details on a public footie forum.
So she MUST have the right of termination....she can't be forced into having a child that wasn't planned and is not wanted.
That is so so wrong.

While TBH I'm far from being a Socialist/Power to the people type of bloke....Laws such as this only affect the Lower End Earners
of the Working Classes.
Higher Earners/Middle Classes,Weathy dudes,these laws and similar mean diddly squat.....Money Talks I'm afraid, is the reality of it.

This will lead to us,well States anyway going back a 100 years socially, to back street abortion clinics,or do it yourself....that's F.in crazy.
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StoneHammer wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:33 am Your examples work for 5 mins until you realise the SC, only a few days ago mandated that individual states were not allowed to makes law on the issue of gun restriction but suddenly it is ok for them to do so with female reproductive rights, not to mention it is the blue states that subsidise the red states pretty much.

How long is California going to accept not only being surrounded by red states racing to turn into mini Gilead's but paying for them to do so?
I thought different states had different gun ownership restrictions ranging from the none through to not being allowed to openly carry?
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Which gets more mentions in the constitution. Abortion or Assault Rifles?
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delbert wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:05 pm I thought different states had different gun ownership restrictions ranging from the none through to not being allowed to openly carry?
No. The 2nd Amendment says that you can have a gun. Across the whole of America.

Where and how you can carry it differs. In Florida you can have your gun in a bar but not if you're standing at a bar.
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Just wondering about the timing of all of this and the fact it has knocked the J6 Committee hearings off of the news cycle. Judge Thomas talking about what's next on their agenda? Seems convenient especially with the heat on him.
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This is all a part of it, imo.



Freudian slip, or......?


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I agree with this random on Twitter. I only hope his message can somehow reach someone in a position of power in the US:

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