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Undemocratic?

You ain't wrong. If you live in Washington DC you have zero representation in Congress yet pay some of the highest Federal Taxes. As they aren't a state it means their rules are made by other congressman from other states. I think there was some congressman from Minnesota who voted for abortion on his own state but againstf again St it in DC.

And don't even think about Puerto Rico. Neither a state nor a country, they are subject to US Federal Law, but again have no representation in Congress and are not allowed to vote in presidential elections. .

They are effectively a colony, you know the very thing that the war of independence was designed to rid them off.

Then there's the Philippines another former colony and of course Hawaii which was seized by yank plantation owners worried about the Queen of Hawaii not doing business with them. Those private plantation owners used US Marines (sanctioned by the government) to take control.

That's why I like Hawaii. The locals don't consider themselves septics and to rub salt into the wound they use the union jack on their state flag.

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I'm not sure how true this is but it looks like the Supreme Court is going to overturn abortion laws in America.

Decision is due in early June but somehow the news has leaked that is going to be quashed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-61309516
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Shabu wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 4:57 pm I'm not sure how true this is but it looks like the Supreme Court is going to overturn abortion laws in America.

Decision is due in early June but somehow the news has leaked that is going to be quashed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-61309516
It is bonkers in 2022 this is even up for discussion. I feel sorry for many Americans. It is so backwards. Apparently same-sex marriage is next on the cards now.
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wolf359 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:32 pm It is bonkers in 2022 this is even up for discussion. I feel sorry for many Americans. It is so backwards. Apparently same-sex marriage is next on the cards now.
I'm hoping California succeeds from the Union :grin:
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This is a massive story.

Essentially, a woman, in over half of the states in the USA will no longer have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

This is the outcome of electing the nutter Trump as President. His packing of the supreme court with right wing judges will haunt Americans for years to come.

A sad day for democracy.
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the pink palermo wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:46 pm This is a massive story.

Essentially, a woman, in over half of the states in the USA will no longer have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

This is the outcome of electing the nutter Trump as President. His packing of the supreme court with right wing judges will haunt Americans for years to come.

A sad day for democracy.
Summed up superbly Pinky,

People bang on about the 'looney left' over here but the rabid religious right over there are terrifying.
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Guns & abortions are the two main electoral issues in that country. They are a pack of mad bastards, and no mistake.
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Horrendous. America is regressing at a pace.
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Honestly, how can they call themselves a developed country?

European unity has never been more important IMO.
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Shabu wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:30 pm The Christian religion here is so warped. It's such a big business - and tax free - that more and more shysters are taking advantage of them.
To be honest, Christians in Latin America and Africa aren't any more angels than the US.
Neither in Europe, if you look closely.
Our continent's most outspoken Christians are Putin, Orbán and Kaczyński .....
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sendô wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:53 pmEuropean unity has never been more important IMO.
Which makes the UK's decision to pack up and leave an even bigger goal for Russia, China and the Trumpist far right....SAD
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Not only are they doing it, they are doing it after swearing under oath that they wouldn’t…..
Heather Cox Richardson wrote:
May 3, 2022 (Tuesday)

In 1985, President Ronald Reagan’s team made a conscious effort to bring evangelicals and social conservatives into the voting base of the Republican Party. The Republicans’ tax cuts and deregulation had not created the prosperity party leaders had promised, and they were keenly aware that their policies might well not survive the upcoming 1986 midterm elections. To find new voters, they turned to religious groups that had previously shunned politics.

“Traditional Republican business groups can provide the resources,” political operative Grover Norquist explained, “but these groups can provide the votes.” To keep that base riled up, the Republican Party swung behind efforts to take away women’s constitutional right to abortion, which the Supreme Court had recognized by a vote of 7–2 in its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision and then reaffirmed in 1992 in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

Although even as recently as last week, only about 28% of Americans wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, Republicans continued to promise their base that they would see that decision destroyed. Indeed, the recognition that evangelical voters would turn out to win a Supreme Court seat might have been one of the reasons then–Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell refused to hold hearings for then-president Barack Obama’s nominee for the Supreme Court, Merrick Garland. Leaving that seat empty was a tangible prize to turn those voters out behind Donald Trump, whose personal history of divorces and sexual assault was not necessarily attractive to evangelicals, in 2016.

But, politically, the Republicans could not actually do what they promised: not only is Roe v. Wade popular, it recognizes a constitutional right that Americans have assumed for almost 50 years. The Supreme Court has never taken away a constitutional right, and politicians rightly feared what would happen if they attacked that fundamental right.

Last night, a leaked draft of a Supreme Court decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito, revealed that the court likely intends to overturn Roe v. Wade, taking away a woman’s constitutional right to reproductive choice. In the decision, Alito declared that what Americans want doesn’t matter: “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” he wrote.

The dog has caught the car.

Democrats are outraged; so are the many Republican voters who dismissed Democratic alarms about the antiabortion justices Trump was putting on the court because they believed Republican assurances that the Supreme Court justices nominated by Republican presidents and confirmed with Republican votes would honor precedent and leave Roe v. Wade alone. Today, clips of nomination hearings circulated in which Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, Clarence Thomas, and even Samuel Alito–—the presumed majority in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade—assured the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that they considered Roe v. Wade and the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision upholding Roe settled law and had no agenda to challenge them.

Those statements were made under oath by those seeking confirmation to our highest judicial body, and they now appear to have been misleading, at best. In addition, the decision itself is full of right-wing talking points and such poor history that historians have spent the day explaining the actual history of abortion in the United States. This sloppiness suggests that the decision—should it be handed down in its current state—is politically motivated. And in a Pew poll conducted in February, 84% of Americans said they believed that justices should not bring their political views into their decision making.

Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) and Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) provided key votes for Trump’s nominees and are now on the defensive. Collins publicly defended her votes for both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh around the time of their confirmation, saying she did not believe they would overturn Roe. She noted that Gorsuch was a co-author of “a whole book” on the importance of precedent, and that she had “full confidence” that Kavanaugh would not try to overturn Roe. Murkowski voted to confirm Gorsuch and Barrett.

Collins today said: “If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office.” Like Collins, Murkowski noted that the final decision could change, but ‘if it goes in the direction that this leaked copy has indicated, I will just tell you that it rocks my confidence in the court right now.” The draft is not going in “the direction that I believed that the court would take based on statements that have been made about Roe being settled and being precedent.”

Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin suggested that the Senate Judiciary Committee should hold hearings on whether the justices lied in their confirmation hearings, and call Senators Collins and Murkowski as witnesses.

This apparent shift from what they had promised is a searing blow at the legitimacy of the Supreme Court, which was already staggering under the reality that three of the current justices were nominated by Donald Trump, who lost the popular vote and then tried to destroy our democracy; two were nominated by George W. Bush, who also lost the popular vote in his first term; and one other is married to someone who supported the January 6 insurrection and yet refused to recuse himself from at least one case in which she might be implicated.

Today, Republicans tried to turn this story into one about the leak of the draft document, which is indeed a rare occurrence (although not unprecedented), rather than the decision itself. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) blamed the leaker for attacking the legitimacy of the court, although McConnell’s refusal in 2016 to hold hearings for Obama’s Supreme Court nominee on the grounds that eight months was too close to an election to confirm a justice before shoving Barrett through in October 2020 when balloting was already underway arguably did more to undermine the court’s legitimacy. Echoing him, one commentator said the draft leak was worse than the January 6 insurrection.

But while McConnell and the right wing are implying that a liberal justice’s office leaked the draft, there is no evidence either way. Observers note, in fact, that the leak would help the right wing more than the dissenters, since it would likely lock in votes. Those trying to blame the liberal justices did not comment on an apparent leak from Chief Justice Roberts’s office that suggested he wanted a more moderate decision. Jennifer Rubin suggested calling the bluff of those blaming the liberal justices: she proposed agreeing that whichever office leaked the draft ought to recuse from the final decision.

Republican politicians have largely stayed silent on the draft decision itself today, but the reaction of Nevada Republican Adam Laxalt, who is running for Senate, suggested the pretzel Republican politicians are going to tie themselves into in order to play to the base without alienating the majority. Laxalt issued a statement on Twitter that said the leaked draft represented a “historic victory for the sanctity of life,” but also said that since abortion is legal in Nevada, “no matter the Court’s ultimate decision on Roe, it is currently settled law in our state.”

Democrats, though, are not only defending the constitutional right recognized by Roe v. Wade, but also calling attention to the draft’s statement that the Fourteenth Amendment under which the Supreme Court has protected civil rights since the 1950s can cover only rights that are “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.”

It seems likely that the right-wing justices, who are demonstrating their radicalism by overturning a 50-year precedent, are prepared to undermine a wide range of constitutional rights on the grounds—however inaccurate—that those rights are not deeply rooted in the justices’ own version of this nation’s history and tradition.

Protesters turned out in front of the Supreme Court and across the country today vowing that women will not go backward. As actress Ashley Nicole Black tweeted: “There's a particular slap to the face of being told we can vote for abortion rights, by the court that gutted voting rights.”
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dasnutnock3 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:56 pm Guns & abortions are the two main electoral issues in that country. They are a pack of mad bastards, and no mistake.
The irony, buy a lethal weapon in Wallmart and you can shoot a person dead (in self defence its justifiable homocide) but they want it so that you cannot abort a foetus which may be the consequence of incestual rape. I worked on a film called "Stuart a Life Backwards", America is a nation evolving is rights in reverse.
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Jacky Eubanks, a trump backed candidate in Michigan, wants to outlaw contraception if elected.

She says that sex should only be between a married man & woman & she wants to impose "god's moral order"

Bit ironic that she's cozy with trump who, as a married man, has shagged loads of women :lol:

https://www.newsweek.com/contraception- ... ks-1708868

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Thou shalt not kill..
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Tenbury wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 7:16 am Thou shalt not kill..
America doesn't do irony
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sendô wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:53 pm Honestly, how can they call themselves a developed country?

European unity has never been more important IMO.

And yet here they are , a country less than 250 years old in charge of NATO surrounding Russia and China with nuclear weapons .
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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 12:53 pm And yet here they are , a country less than 250 years old in charge of NATO surrounding Russia and China with nuclear weapons .
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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 12:53 pm And yet here they are , a country less than 250 years old in charge of NATO surrounding Russia and China with nuclear weapons .
Tbf, in its current state it is older than Russia, which had always previously been a monarchy.
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