UELSF: West Ham Utd 1-2 Eintracht Frankfurt (28/4/22)

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When Benny put his hands on his head after he clipped the post looked like he is beefing up a bit.

Pabs said the same recently - that he was required to bulk up by Moyes. That doesn't happen overnight.

People who criticize Benny - did you not see when he lost the ball on our left wing - and then chased the ball down like a madman to win it back near our right mid/right back area, won it back and then set off an attack? That's all I ask.

I'm a fan - yes he frustrates but he must be maddening frustrated himself - he has had no opportunity to gain any rhythm - when he does play he is out of position but invariably he does end up creating.

He is not a left midfielder, nor is Fornals...

Regarding the game we were well under par but still managed to create loads. Tighten up, play with freedom and sure we can dump these mofos out in their own back yard. I can already taste their tears.

You can't fight Fate. We are destined to win it...
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Diogenes wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:54 pm Benrahma's problem, IMHO, is that he is weak physically. He does not have the physique to compete with a more muscular opposition.
How mad..just posted on this very subject. Get out of my breadbin Dio you weirdo.
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steveyrockstar wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:34 pm He needs to add an actual end-product more regularly. Otherwise I don't see him being much more than a C'ship superstar or a wildcard off the bench.
Or he needs the belief of his manager. Not sure he has that here, being subbed off first every game must take its toll.
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Paolopaul wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:01 pm Or he needs the belief of his manager. Not sure he has that here, being subbed off first every game must take its toll.
It didn't take a toll on Bowen, he was the most subbed player in the league in his first full 12 months with us...
It pushed Bowen to become more, I hope Benny & Vlasic both take notes & fulfill their obvious potential to the betterment of the team...
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prophet:marginal wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:20 pm Nobody in our shirt passed the ball better than Firnals last night.
only Antonio @ 53%
Bowen @ 68%

were worse than Fornals @ 74%

the much maligned Tommy @ 82%
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Not happy with the corners,from left side especially, yesterday...obvious Micky couldn't "Annoy" their keeper,after words from Ref,
yet we still kept slinging them into 6 yard box,think he(keeper) gathered 4/5 pretty easily,need to be hitting the penalty spot with
them.

Think we're seeing we have a good hard working team with Good, some very good players....Top Level Players,not so sure TBH,
Fornals,Ben,Lanzini,Micky....can add Vlasic,Yarmo,Ben J,maybe Cress,all in and out players,inconsistent... good hardworking
Players,but you just don't know what yer gonna get,game to game.(Cress is better this year,and Ben J still learning),not having
a dig at any of them,but they do disappoint at times.
Dec,Bowen,Daws,Kurt,Tomas,Vlad,Turn up most games.

When your playing "top 6" sides and this level in Europe,makes games very hit and miss...we see that, we win games against good sides,
next week lose a game we shoulda won against a weaker side.
Think we've def lost that little bit of magic we had from last season.

Don't like blaming players for individual mistakes,they happen,have to look at the 90 mins,calling out Pablo for instance,he was doing
what he should...Covering back,he knew the player was there,you get caught in that 50/50 sometimes,attack the ball or block/pick up
the player....Sometimes gotta say they scored a goal,and get on on without fault finding,manager will pick up on it in,if it's a regular
F**k up from someone.

Funny you can play the same game,the ball moves just an inch or two in a different direction when shooting,and you have a different
result...exactly the same game,but you lose instead of drawing, over a couple of inches...Bowens post effort,Crossbar effort come to
that....Fine Lines..

Tie is still well alive I reckon,we're just as good as them,better I'd say...we're a goal down with 90 mins to play,no problem.
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On Benramha, he is the fantasy girlfriend you will never get? Everything you want is there and you just need your friends approval so to speak, But you never end up with her, just the dream she is the one?
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Southminster Hammer wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:31 am On Benramha, he is the fantasy girlfriend you will never get? Everything you want is there and you just need your friends approval so to speak, But you never end up with her, just the dream she is the one?
Sadly he appears to be “all the gear with no idea”
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Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 pm only Antonio @ 53%
Bowen @ 68%

were worse than Fornals @ 74%

the much maligned Tommy @ 82%
Better and more accurately have slightly different takes. Fornals is our best forward passer, for me, creative and our most intelligent passer (and player)

But then my love for Pablo is well known
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Wilko1304 wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:15 am Better and more accurately have slightly different takes. Fornals is our best forward passer, for me, creative and our most intelligent passer (and player)

But then my love for Pablo is well known
I don't dislike any of our lads.

but.

if you don't have the ball you can't score. and if you give it away often enough the other team gets more chances to score.

and I do understand that the further up the pitch you play, your averages go down because you're trying that special not the safe ball.

he didn't make that many if any key passes that I can recollect. Tommy made that great chance for Bowen that got a piece of the keeper and hit the post.

and let's be honest, his corners were truly dire.

as you're a bit of a stats type person, do set pieces count as a cross, or as a pass, or both ?

serious question and I'm not taking the Michael.

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We play a game with Benrahma. We count every stupid mistake or decision he makes and start to get excited at 9 because we know he will do something brilliant next.
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Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 pm only Antonio @ 53%
Bowen @ 68%

were worse than Fornals @ 74%

the much maligned Tommy @ 82%
I meant the incisiveness of his passes, not the accuracy of the 5 foot sideways jobs.
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Paolopaul wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:01 pm Or he needs the belief of his manager. Not sure he has that here, being subbed off first every game must take its toll.
When Jarrod Bowen arrived and also throughout last season he was first to be substituted every single match iirc. It hasn’t done him much harm. In fact it has done the opposite.
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-DL- wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:24 pm Sorry, but we have this rose tinted notion regarding the atmosphere in our old ground. I could easily imagine it.

Since it became all seater, The Boleyn Ground was probably rocking, what - about half a dozen times?

If those 3k Germans were like that in our old ground, with tight confines and better acoustics as a whole, they would have been even louder.
Fair enough. However, I remember The Boleyn in the mid 60s/early 70s, when no away fans were allowed to out-sing us!
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Upton Carp wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:53 am Fair enough. However, I remember The Boleyn in the mid 60s/early 70s, when no away fans were allowed to out-sing us!
Who achieved that in the 80s?
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Judging by the last few pages the views on Benrhama are :
Too weak
Shows flashes of absolute god like brilliance.
Has bulked up.
Has no end product.
Should have the team built around him.
Is somewhat lazy in defending.
Should be watched closely for all the defending he does.
Great bringing off the bench
Terrible in starting 11.


Seems to me that his real problem is that based on the above he’s very very inconsistent. Now if you’re going to be a force in football either as a player or a team you need consistency of quality. Most squads in the Prem are littered with players that can do the sublime or the physically impossible, but as has happened through the generations, the top teams buy the players that do those things week in week out. And when they’re off the boil, they are still contributing something positive to the team. Not only is Benrhama inconsistent but he appears to be more inconsistent than the rest of our regular starters but more importantly is slightly less useful to the team if played in various roles than others in the squad. This is why he is less trusted by Moyes. I’m pretty sure Moyes see’s the sublime bits on a daily occurrence, but he clearly isn’t seeing the cog that fits in with the team ethos, which is really what our team has become. Much stronger than its individual parts. And really that is the whole point of any team. We aren’t good enough to have too many passengers at any one given time. Benrhama is in many minds, including Moyes, more consistently inconsistent than the rest. That’s the long and short of it I’m afraid.
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Thought this was quite interesting - it's a map of pass/cross blocks by Frankfurt. Look at how many blocks they made on their left/our right. That could be our tardiness in possession, or they simply grafted harder and better when defending.

The contrast to what normally happens on our left is like night and day.
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Nice find, bubbs :newthumb: Kostic is their star player and did well on the night, so not such a big surprise that he made 5 blocks from left wing back. Maybe Moyes will gamble with Fredericks in the return leg if we're still trailing after an hour or so? He's got the pace that Johnson and Coufal lack, but is weak defensively.
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Re atmosphere at our stadium. I was in Lyon their hospitality right next to their main home end opposite end to our fans. When we scored and their fans stopped singing you could hear our fans for about 30 seconds before 4 guys with microphones connected to loud speakers up full volume started shouting and chanting, which re energised their fans. All European fans are the same. Loads of flags and colour and all choreographed by cheerleaders. David Moyes said we should copy them and have designated dining areas a bit like palace. I am used to following West Ham in the 70’s and 80’s so we could avoid please escorts, go in away pubs and other fans home ends, if we want to match European fans then we would need to have cheerleaders like they have. I can’t believe West Ham didn’t give every fan a flag on Thursday. A plastic sheet to hold up is crap and they did that twice already. Frankfurt fans will be crazy next week hope we can quite them down. Final thought, I love our fans and we can be noisy as we proved against forest many years ago in the semi final of the f a cup as one example but I think playing regularly in Europe might see us do more like Liverpool and European teams do in the big European nights. It’s a bit staged but looks and sounds great.
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Upton Carp wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:53 am Fair enough. However, I remember The Boleyn in the mid 60s/early 70s, when no away fans were allowed to out-sing us!
That's basically because we policed the ground ourselves through violence.
There was a period during the late 70's where for about three seasons (or more) I didn't see a single away supporter in the ground, including the likes of Chelsea.
Yes it did create a rather unique atmosphere but am not quite sure that's the right way of doing things.
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