Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

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Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Samba » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 pm

For me, absolutely.
Reaching this semi-final has cemented it for me, whatever we do next. Giving us our first serious European semi-final since 1976?
Always love Sir Trev & Billy Bonds (longer) stints as manager but Moyes is now up there with Lyall for me.
Obviously, not all on Moyes; it's been Moyes + having/buying some very good players; just like Lyall was lucky to have.
How great was Moyes' smiles last night?

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by e17 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:27 pm

Yes he is.

Thanks.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by hammers92 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:33 pm

My generation deserve a John Lyall type, it’s been 29 years of mostly ***** players/false dawns/ear cupping with the occasional flirt with better things.

Everything just seems so perfect right now, and it still feels bloody weird.

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Post by Ironing Board » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:33 pm

Has to be now. Water into wine stuff.

We probably have to thank Noble and Rice for urging the owners to bring him back.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by bonzosbeard » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:36 pm

I remember our bus turning up at the Goldstone Ground in Brighton and right at the front was John Lyall. A smile on his face too. Won trophies for our club.

David hasn't won one yet but a major European semi final and more than half a chance to do it next year!

I've seen some some good stuff over the intervening years but my goodness it's been pinch yourself time the last 12 months.

Yes the best since Lyall.

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Post by e17 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:37 pm

Macari - long ball awful football. Few decent signings.
Bonzo - God but should have been mentored by Lyall.
Bungpuss - Boom and then left everything to go bust.
Count Dukula - Letdown by Paolo but still.. that squad
Chocolate - Fun times before believed his own hype
CurbzZz - Made beating Liverpool feel like a defeat
Zola - Relentless slog watching a nice bloke get buried
Avram - No
Allardyce - Twist
Slav - THAT season at the Boleyn. Victim of the migration
Pellegrini - Roberto

Definitely prefer Moyes to all of that lot. He runs the shop in a similar manner to Lyall, without the brutal comedown after the dopamine that came from H & Slav

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by e17 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:37 pm

Ironing Board wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:33 pm
Has to be now. Water into wine stuff.
You were right

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Post by Ironing Board » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:41 pm

e17 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:37 pm
You were right
Not yet - Moysie has plenty of work ahead to reach his and the club’s potential.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by e17 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:47 pm

Just take the credit sunshine. I don’t hand it out often :wink:

In all seriousness though IB - I think you’re being a gent, but you kept your opinion on him squarely based on his managerial career, even when it felt like he was merely a puppet for ****ers to some of us.

What he’s done here, with basic backing at that *cough* January reinforcements *cough*, is already unparalleled since Lyall was ****ed over.

This is easily the most likeable WHU squad for me since the boys of 86.

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Post by Ironing Board » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:53 pm

The best thing is it reinforces Jim McLean’s view that you can achieve great things with ridiculous amounts of hard work. Hopefully we will see more of this in the future. Football never used to be all about money so if we can build and become a force we can earn success the right way.

I could easily see us knocking a few big boys off their perch, which would be fantastic to see.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Samba » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:11 am

hammers92 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:33 pm
My generation deserve a John Lyall type, it’s been 29 years of mostly ***** players/false dawns/ear cupping with the occasional flirt with better things.

Everything just seems so perfect right now, and it still feels bloody weird.
You're quite right, h.
Us old gits have always had the happy memories of nights like last night.
Great that young 'uns are now getting the same - at long last.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Diogenes » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:13 am

Possibly, but its always difficult judging the present with the past. Bonds, Redknapp, Pardew and even Big Sam contributed, in their own way, to our rich history. The big difference I can see is that he appears to have a plan despite the owners and our position rather than because of it. Provided the board and we the supporters can stomach the dark days and down periods, of which there will be some, and trust Moyes and his team then I firmly believe that he can deliver West Ham as a top side. Unfortunately, what he cannot deliver to secure and maintain us as a regular top 5/6 side is wealth.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Samba » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:14 am

e17 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:37 pm
Macari - long ball awful football. Few decent signings.
Bonzo - God but should have been mentored by Lyall.
Bungpuss - Boom and then left everything to go bust.
Count Dukula - Letdown by Paolo but still.. that squad
Chocolate - Fun times before believed his own hype
CurbzZz - Made beating Liverpool feel like a defeat
Zola - Relentless slog watching a nice bloke get buried
Avram - No
Allardyce - Twist
Slav - THAT season at the Boleyn. Victim of the migration
Pellegrini - Roberto

Definitely prefer Moyes to all of that lot. He runs the shop in a similar manner to Lyall, without the brutal comedown after the dopamine that came from H & Slav
Very good, Walth!
We should have been much kinder to Glenn Roeder though.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by yakandyeti » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:12 am

The odd season aside there’s no competition, but he’s got a very long way to go to match him.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by BondsoBob » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:56 am

I'd go along with that. But let's face it, it's not a very high bar that was set. Glenn Roeder, Avrim Grant, Harold Rednob, BFS.....etc, erc.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by last.caress » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:49 am

Definitely, although contenders for "Best Since Lyall" are fairly thin on the ground.

For me personally, it goes:

1. John Lyall
2. David Moyes
3. Slaven Bilic
4. Billy Bonds

(bit of a dropoff here)

5. Alan Pardew
6. Harry Redknapp
7. Alan Curbishley


(BIG dropoff here)


8. Gianfranco Zola
9. Sam Allardyce
10. Manuel Pellegrini
11. Lou Macari
12. Glenn Roeder




(Enormous, yawning chasm here, leading ever downwards into the inky blackness, until we reach the ninth circle of Hell itself)




13. Avram Grant

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by NWhammer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:07 am

The disrespect for Allardyce is still strong I see. He got it horribly wrong with the supporters but the job he did here was unbelievable.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by WoodvaleOne » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:14 am

To be fair, despite some legends being in the mix, there's not a lot of competition is there?

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Chicken Run Supreme » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:22 am

Zola above Allardici ??

Zola was a brilliant player and thoroughly likeable but was too “nice” and a terrible manager.
Allardyce was a thoroughly unlikeable oaf who rubbed the fans up the wrong way from day one. He was however a bloody good manager who did exactly what he was hired to do. He was also responsible for bringing Kevin Nolan to the club and for that alone he is streets ahead of the immensely likeable but tactically inept Zola.


Moyes has us on the cusp of greatness and I hope he can add the silverware we all crave for. If he does that, he will be on his way to eclipsing Lyall. For now though he is absolutely the best since the great man.

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Re: Is David Moyes the best West Ham United manager since John Lyall?

Post by Southminster Hammer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:24 am

NWhammer wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:07 am
The disrespect for Allardyce is still strong I see. He got it horribly wrong with the supporters but the job he did here was unbelievable.
Yeah I agree with that, he got us up and kept us up, exactly what we needed him to do.

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