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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
I think someone on here has hacked Sky. They stop short of calling for a red but...
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
I was wondering if it would be discussed on ref watch, so thanks for putting that clip up. Just a shame there'll be no retrospective action taken towards Mike Dean for his mistake.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
Whether he should get sent off or not is debatable but where is VAR in all this? Given the foul the wrong way isn't a clear and obvious error?
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"What incidents does the VAR check?
VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity."
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1293321
So the only way VAR could get involved would have been to red card Ramsdale. By the letter of the law, they probably should have. If we accept he's trying to take Bowen out, given the speed involved, I'd say it's a red for intent to harm, but Dermot is right in that clip above- I can't think of any time a player has been red carded in a situation like this without making contact. Like most people, I was expecting a yellow for Ramsdale and was really shocked when I realised it was given the other way.
It is interesting to me that people are constantly making conspiracy theories about referees, even though players also make basic errors repeatedly and no one thinks that there's something dodgy going on there. I would consider a theory that Leicester are deliberately not defending corners this season to be just as credible, for example. I honestly can't think of a reasonable explanation as to why top professionals can't execute a simple set piece defence.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
That's actually quite a good comparison though.Collison Theory wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:08 pm It is interesting to me that people are constantly making conspiracy theories about referees, even though players also make basic errors repeatedly and no one thinks that there's something dodgy going on there. I would consider a theory that Leicester are deliberately not defending corners this season to be just as credible, for example. I honestly can't think of a reasonable explanation as to why top professionals can't execute a simple set piece defence.
I don't think there's any grand conspiracy theory, but I do think mediocre English referees (i.e. all of them) consistently bottle it in a way that favours the established big clubs just as mediocre players fail at their jobs in ways that favour the established big clubs.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
Mistaken identity - Mike Dean gave Bowen a yellow card instead of RamsdaleCollison Theory wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:08 pm "What incidents does the VAR check?
VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity."
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I feel the same, Tenners. I think many do.
Used to love watching motd & motd2, still record every one but apart from our bit, I just delete them without watching the rest.
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There is no conscious conspiracy imo.Collison Theory wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:08 pm "What incidents does the VAR check?
It is interesting to me that people are constantly making conspiracy theories about referees, even though players also make basic errors repeatedly and no one thinks that there's something dodgy going on there.
What there is a blantent bias to not give decisions against the so called power houses because they find it far easier upset the small fish.
It's lazy and cowardly but refs/VAR sleep quite happily knowing they have f*cked over the plebs rather than face the wrath of the super six. Any slight doubt if goes their way.
If thar had been Salah yesterday it would be all over the media. MOTD didn't even discuss it I don't think.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
Dreadful, reckless challenge by Ramsdale, imo & no way that Bowen 'dived' just for the sake of it. He's an honest lad from everything that I've seen of him.
Same as Lanzini, a few seasons ago. Just come back from a terrible ACL injury & got carded for 'diving' rather than someone understanding that he just might have been trying to protect himself.
Same as Lanzini, a few seasons ago. Just come back from a terrible ACL injury & got carded for 'diving' rather than someone understanding that he just might have been trying to protect himself.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
Cheating ****ers never change. Them and Liverpool are the worst teams to cheat, dive and time waste. A running joke that's been going on for donkey's. What's Judy as bad is the Officials usually turn a blind eye to these Clubs antics too, time and time again.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
Astounding decision to book Bowen by a disaster of a referee, who I can’t wait to see retire.
In another world the ref shows a red, VAR intervene, it gets downgraded to a yellow because he’s going away from goal and there’s no contact, we get the free kick and just get on with the game.
Ramsdale has charged in to clear the ball, Bowen got there first. It’s about as blatant a foul as you can get without touching someone.
In another world the ref shows a red, VAR intervene, it gets downgraded to a yellow because he’s going away from goal and there’s no contact, we get the free kick and just get on with the game.
Ramsdale has charged in to clear the ball, Bowen got there first. It’s about as blatant a foul as you can get without touching someone.
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It was just one of those games on Sunday where I expected nothing from it, but actually we looked in touch all game and ended up frustrated that we lost. Both goals probably don't happen if Dawson is on the pitch. That a backline with Fredericks as a sort of left back and Cress at CB conceded only 2 is nothing short of remarkable. (I was having Lomas, Dailly, Breen Minto nightmares before kick off). Plenty has been said about the Ramsdale incident, I still can't quite work out how the ref has decided that Bowen's at fault until I remember that Mike Dean was the ref. You can't just come flying out studs up like that, Ramsdale's a lucky barsteward.
Behing relatively close to behind the Arsenal dugout - Arteta doing what looked like the YMCA for half the match was an absolutely bizarre sight. I don't think any of the players were watching, let alone interpreting his actions which made him look a cross between a constipated owl and a geezer doing semaphore on fast forward. Still if it makes him feel better... He really comes across as a snide little so and so too which doesn't help. I really wish the old rules were in place so that if we win the Europa we'd boot them out of the Chumps league if they finished 4th.
Surely the lesson to be learnt from this season is squad depth, squad depth and more squad depth. In general I'm pleased we're still vaguely in the hunt for 6th at this stage. Plenty of teams have qualified for the Europa league and it's absolutely stuffed their season - they've ended up in the lower reaches and flirted with relegation. The fact we're still in this hunt for 6th despite our small squad and short turnarounds is testament to how well a lot of our players have done, plus Moyes and his team of course. I hope over the summer that this will be addressed - we've had 2 seasons where we've done very well with the players we've got but marginal improvements would've seen us well in the challenge for 4th. So come on GSB-K - lets make those signings.
Behing relatively close to behind the Arsenal dugout - Arteta doing what looked like the YMCA for half the match was an absolutely bizarre sight. I don't think any of the players were watching, let alone interpreting his actions which made him look a cross between a constipated owl and a geezer doing semaphore on fast forward. Still if it makes him feel better... He really comes across as a snide little so and so too which doesn't help. I really wish the old rules were in place so that if we win the Europa we'd boot them out of the Chumps league if they finished 4th.
Surely the lesson to be learnt from this season is squad depth, squad depth and more squad depth. In general I'm pleased we're still vaguely in the hunt for 6th at this stage. Plenty of teams have qualified for the Europa league and it's absolutely stuffed their season - they've ended up in the lower reaches and flirted with relegation. The fact we're still in this hunt for 6th despite our small squad and short turnarounds is testament to how well a lot of our players have done, plus Moyes and his team of course. I hope over the summer that this will be addressed - we've had 2 seasons where we've done very well with the players we've got but marginal improvements would've seen us well in the challenge for 4th. So come on GSB-K - lets make those signings.
Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
When, like us, you've had players red carded when the actually got the ball before contact but are deemed "out of control" the ref's reaction to Ramsdale is hard to take. But to book Bowen for trying to avoid injury shows how out of touch with what goes on refs are.
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I do not think there could be any complaints if the keeper was shown a red. Reckless, intent, studs up and was within a fraction of connecting with Bowens lower leg, but for Bowen taking avoiding action. And Bowen got booked for that ?
It all happened fairly near where we sit, so I had a great view of it real time, and was surprised to see just a yellow, but disgusted to see it was for Bowen not the keeper. Mike Dean strikes again, what a prick.
So on the basis there was no contact, if you swing a couple of punches at someone on the pitch, they avoid the punches, there is no punishment levelled at the aggressor ?
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The worrying thing here is Mike Dean will be actively involved with VAR next season...
I do not think there could be any complaints if the keeper was shown a red. Reckless, intent, studs up and was within a fraction of connecting with Bowens lower leg, but for Bowen taking avoiding action. And Bowen got booked for that ?
It all happened fairly near where we sit, so I had a great view of it real time, and was surprised to see just a yellow, but disgusted to see it was for Bowen not the keeper. Mike Dean strikes again, what a prick.
So on the basis there was no contact, if you swing a couple of punches at someone on the pitch, they avoid the punches, there is no punishment levelled at the aggressor ?
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You'd like to think the PL would at least chalk the yellow off...but they can't make their soon to retire celebrity ref look even more daft can they?
I bet Dean will be eating sheep's b*llocks on I'm a Celeb within 2 years.
I bet Dean will be eating sheep's b*llocks on I'm a Celeb within 2 years.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United vs Arsenal: match thread
I didn't even realise the yellow card was for Bowen, just assumed it was for Ramsdale. I've never been as baffled by a decision. Madness.